Women in the Priesthood

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estesbob:
Reminds me of a scene in “Dumb and Dumber” Jim carry asks Lauren Holly" if there is a chance they can have a relationships. She says not one in a million. he gets excited and exclaims “so theres a chance!!”
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I must see that movie. 😃
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estesbob:
Also reminds me of another joke. The Pope asks God will we ever see married Priests? God replies “Not in you lifetime” he then asks if we will ever see female Priests? God replies “not in my lifetime”
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… which reminds me of a point made by our Parish Priest in a recent homily.

In pointing out that we will all face final judgement, Father asked us to consider how ridiculous the scene would be if a group of folks approached the Throne and said, “Excuse me Lord, but we’ve had a discussion and taken a vote, so now …”

Blessings,

Gerry
 
ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS
Pope John Paul the Great:
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women
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and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.

Rome has spoken. The case is closed.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
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steveandersen:
so there’s always hope
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God didn’t give the Church the Authority to allow men to bear children either. Do you hold out hope that someday the Church will allow men to gestate fetii?

The Church has just as much Authority to change the Biology of a Male in the way as it does to change the Ontology of a Female in Ordination.

God is a very fair God. He gave to women the biological authority to bring forth New Physical life.

He gave to me the ontological authority to bring forth the New Spiritual Life of the Eucharist.

Since humans are both Physical and Spiritual entities, it seems God fairly distributed the two critcal roles necessary for our Salvation among both sexes.

Either sex without the other cannot bring forth a Saint, which is our true purpose.
 
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Brendan:
God didn’t give the Church the Authority to allow men to bear children either. Do you hold out hope that someday the Church will allow men to gestate fetii?..
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well that’s a non sequitur. All the encyclicals in the world couldn’t change someone’s haircolor much less their plumbing*

but there are probably a variety of (non-physically impossible) things that the Church could change if She were thought to be within Her authority to do so.
  • Yeah. I know, I know… you could go gray reading them But you know what I meant 😉
 
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steveandersen:
well that’s a non sequitur. All the encyclicals in the world couldn’t change someone’s haircolor much less their plumbing*

but there are probably a variety of (non-physically impossible) things that the Church could change if She were thought to be within Her authority to do so.
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That is the point. She does not think that she does not have the authority, she KNOWS that she cannot change a Sacrament. Just as all the encyclicals in the world cannot change someone’s “plumbing”, they cannot change the characteristics of a Sacrament, as given, either.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
To quote one of my favorite saints:
For the body also is not one member, but many. If the foot should say, because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear should say, because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were the eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? But now God hath set the members every one of them in the body as it hath pleased him.
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And if they all were one member, where would be the body? But now there are many members indeed, yet one body. And the eye cannot say to the hand: I need not thy help; nor again the head to the feet: I have no need of you. Yea, much more those that seem to be the more feeble members of the body, are more necessary.
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What does this have to do with the question of why there are some who will not give the settled question a rest? Well–there will never be women priests (thanks be to God!) in the Catholic Church. We should not look at the priesthood as ‘just another job’ to which anyone might aspire … it is a vocation from God, and God would not mistakenly call someone who cannot fulfill the call. When I hear of women who want to be priests, it seems to be all about the glory and honor they believe comes from the office–not service. And so it is that the foot whines “I’m not a hand” …

We each have our own vocations to fulfill, and should strive to find and fulfill our own vocation, rather than pining for someone else’s.
 
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steveandersen:
well that’s a non sequitur. All the encyclicals in the world couldn’t change someone’s haircolor much less their plumbing*

but there are probably a variety of (non-physically impossible) things that the Church could change if She were thought to be within Her authority to do so.
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As pointed out the Church knows for certain that it does NOT have the Authority to Ordain women,.

So the Church has the exact same level of Authority in each case I mentioned. The Church knows for certain that it does not have the Authority to change a woman’s Ontology to bring forth Ontological life in the Eucharist, and it has equally little Authority to change a Man’s Biology to bring for Physical Life via gestation.

In each case, the Church has the exact same Authority, zero. And it knows for certain that is has zero Authority in both matters.

So yes it does follow.
 
Priests are the apostles of today. Lay people are called to be deciples, both man and woman. Is this a correct view?

Men can love Our Blessed Mother, but women have Her as a rolemodel. Who would want anything more?
 
I’m not qualified to argue theology… So I’ll just say what, for me, settles the argument:

**Rome has spoken. **
The case is closed.
 
I’ve been a protestant for 55 years but am currently in RCIA classes. My first instinct was to see what does it say in the BIBLE, Sola Scriptura, you know?

1 Timothy 2:11-14

“Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. BUT I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH OR EXERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN BUT TO REMAIN QUIET.”

I will interject --even protestants who are SO Sola Scriptura don’t follow their own advice here!!! So what comes next? That women should not teach or have authority over a man because in that Hebrew culture that was how it was and since our culture has changed things and women are AS, if not many times more, educated as men and we are all now modern and enlightened to the fact that a woman can do anything a man can do? Read on:

“FOR IT WAS ADAM who was first created, and THEN EVE. And it was NOT ADAM who was deceived, but the WOMAN BEING QUITE DECEIVED, fall into transgression.”

There you have it. Like it or not, the two BIBLICAL reasons for no women in the position of priest are: 1) ADAM was created first and 2) EVE was deceived and basically ruined the position of priest for women!! Don’t blame the Pope, blame EVE!!

Actually, this brings up a question.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon5.gif Should women then be teachers or hold other high positions in the church at all?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon9.gif
 
I think it is quite evident that “Mark and Marilyn” didn’t start this thread to have dialogue as they hvae disappeared.
 
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Marquette:
“FOR IT WAS ADAM who was first created, and THEN EVE. And it was NOT ADAM who was deceived, but the WOMAN BEING QUITE DECEIVED, fall into transgression.”

There you have it. Like it or not, the two BIBLICAL reasons for no women in the position of priest are: 1) ADAM was created first and 2) EVE was deceived and basically ruined the position of priest for women!! Don’t blame the Pope, blame EVE!!
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What–Adam was not deceived?

St. Irenaeus said:

Why did the serpent not attack the man, rather than the woman? You say he went after her because she was the weaker of the two. On the contrary. In the transgression of the commandment, she showed herself to be the stronger. . . For she alone stood up to the serpent. She ate from the tree, but with resistence and dissent and after being dealt with perfidiously. But Adam partook of the fruit given by the woman, without even beginning to make a fight, without a word of contradiction–a perfect demonstration of consummate weakness and a cowardly soul. The woman, moreover, can be excused; she wrestled with a demon and was thrown. But Adam will not be able to find an excuse–he had personally received the commandment from God.
 
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Orionthehunter:
I think it is quite evident that “Mark and Marilyn” didn’t start this thread to have dialogue as they hvae disappeared.
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Evidently not. I even got a private message from them, telling me of this thread, and encouraging “debate”. But since the original post, silence here.

Really, what is there to debate, or have dialogue about?

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Gerry Hunter:
Evidently not. I even got a private message from them, telling me of this thread, and encouraging “debate”. But since the original post, silence here.

Really, what is there to debate, or have dialogue about?

Blessings,

Gerry
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I got a private message too. I second that. There is nothing to debate. How about Mark and Marilyn just debate it amongst themselves.
 
I got a private message too; making the case for women having souls. :confused: :rotfl: It appears they think we are arguing that they don’t. :whacky:
 
Mark & Marilyn:
The Conservatives allege (or imply):
  1. The difference between men and women is absolute!
  2. a.) Women simply have NO place in the clergy. 😦
    In such a vital role in the Church, they have nothing to contribute. 😦 (not in the clergy, anyway)
2 b.) It may be that God made woman to be the servant of man.
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please cite a source where so-called conservatives make these claims in precisely this language. The consistent Catholic teaching that women may not be ordained has nothing whatever to do with 1 , 2a or 2b. and Pope John Paul’s definitive statement on this issue does not use these arguments.

this topic has been done to death here, and what conservatives or liberals may allege or imply is immaterial and irrelevant. What we need to look at is what did Jesus say and do in instituting the priesthood, and what does the Catholic Church teach about the priesthood. Since priests serve the Catholic Church, it is the authority of the Catholic Church, derived from Christ’s words and actions, which is relevant and material in this issue.
 
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BlindSheep:
I got a private message too; making the case for women having souls. :confused: :rotfl: It appears they think we are arguing that they don’t. :whacky:
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Thats the exact one I got too.
 
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