WOMEN ONLY: Your "opinions" on Women Ordination

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I’m male, but since I’m not the only nor the first male who posts here I think it doesn’t matter… hehehe…

I haven’t read all the posts (there’s a liot of text to be read!), but I’ll give you my opinion. If it’s useful, praise God, if not, praise God too 🙂

See, there are two things we need to keep separated: One thing is the ministry of priesthood, which is a Sacrament of service, whose role is very specifical, and other very different thing is to talk about positions of power in the Church. The first is only for men, because it’s a task only for men, very important and special, but which doesn’t imply other ministries are less important… would you dare to decide which members are more important? Women have other tasks as important as the task of a priest. One of them (but not the only) is the task of being mothers, because, if you haven’t noticed yet, is in a family where a child’s vocation can grow or die. I could say in a certain way the mothers are the makers of future priests.

That’s a great job!! Every priest should thank his mother for that!

What about positions of power? See, the task of a priest is very specifical, so every other task can be performed by laics or consecrated (who can of course be either men or women). The administration of a diocese it’s a position of power (you can order and forbid things to other people, even priests if needed) and it could be left to a woman without any problem, because the bishop’s task is to visit the parishes, to preach and to guide spiritually the people.

Doing dofferent things and wourking in a different way doesn’t mean being unjust, men are women are both image of God, but they are different, so they reflect a different aspect of He who they are image of.

Now let’s go with some historical logics… All of you know the Church started as a jewish group, with all the cultural stuff of the jewish socety of its time. But, you also know converted pagans quickly grew in number to the point the jewish christians soon became a minority. That’s the reason of the Council of Jerusalem, where the christians abandoned the prectice of the jewish Law as a requisite for being a christian. That day the Church was no longer a jewish group and became truly universal.

Well… Jews didn’t have priestesses, so it’s normal a jewish group wouldn’t allow them, but the pagan society had them. It would have been a very normal thing to accept christian priestesses for most of them (remember the majority of the Church was formed by former pagans), so, why there’s no recor of women priestesses? Maybe because everybody understood that was not Jesus’ will? It’s very strange a religion that in less than a century and a half was 2/3 women to avoid a very usual practice of having women priests, isn’t it?

Think on this…

(please, forgive my bad english, since it’s not my main language I still need to improve it a lot)
 
I am in the 18-30 group. Women cannot be ordained and should not be ordained. Praise God that this will never happen!
 
First of all, I would like to apologize on behalf of my sisters in Christ to anyone who was offended by terms like “feminazi” and accusations like “you are warped.”

Human beings are created in the image of God. Therefore, to speak badly about another is to insult the image of God. Where is our Christian charity? Furthermore, John Paul II says that the feminine genius is to recognize and respond to the “whole person” of another; to be in tune to that person’s needs and dignity. Are we living our feminine genius when we resort to name calling and insults?

Second, for most of my life I believed that women could and should be priests. This was mainly because I lived in an all-female household, and did not understand role distinction between the sexes. Then I read Mulieris Dignitatem. It changed my life.

I am a feminist. I believe that we should promote the rights of women, who are so often abused and marginalized in many societies. The greatest abuse of womanhood is abortion. Furthermore, I believe we should recognize the beauty and gift of femininity. By saying women should be priests, we are saying that women are not as good as men; that they should have the male vocation. In order to truly promote femininity, we must promote motherhood.

Human beings are embodied souls. The body is the language of the soul. Thus, a woman, whose body naturally carries and nutures life, is called to motherhood. The priesthood is a man’s office. Only a man can act as Christ the Bridegroom. This is not to say that women are less dignified than men.

I am a feminist. But before all, I am an unworthy servant of Christ and a daughter of the Church. If anyone wants to have a charitable discussion on women in the Church, without the name calling and insults, please feel free to e-mail me, and I will share with you why I thank God each day for making me a woman.
In Christ,
Jessica
 
I voted women should not be priests. People always turn this into a feminist power struggle. How do you explain the greatness of EWTN and the beautiful Mother Angelica, if women do not have power within the church? Certainly Mother Angelica would be the first to say it was not for power but for God, as all good endeavors should be.

I took a woman’s study course in college thinking it would be an easy A, after all, I am a woman and I am confident… Boy was I wrong! In order to get an A in that class you had to buy into the stereotype that women are oppressed and that men are the root of evil. Needless to say…I did not get an A.

The only thing I really enjoyed about the class was my final project. I gave a speech about the person I most looked up to in life…my dad! He taught me to be confident and happy with myself. He showed me through his love for my mom that men should love, honor, respect and celebrate the differences between men and women. My dad explained that he was brought to his knees the day I was born because he saw my mom as fragile and as the strongest person alive all in the same day. My dad reveres my mom for everything that she is and all that he can never be. In doing so, he taught my brothers and me the important role a mother plays in her family and in our faith.
My parents showed us the importance of the holy Mother and their prayerful reverence was quite evident. The holy mother never competed with her Son, for attention and light. I do not believe we need to compete for power within the church either. We must be comfortable in who we are and celebrate the unique qualities that we bring to the church.
~P
 
Pope John Paul II made it clear that the Church does not have the power to consecrate women for the priesthood. The primary function of a priest is that of an offerer of sacrifice. If a “Mass” were to be said by a woman there would be no presence of the sacrifice of Calvary and therefore there would be no sanctifying grace conferred. Without sanctifying grace one cannot resist sin and one cannot get into heavan. Priests are the umbilical chord of God with humanity, who transmit divine grace through forgiveness and the consectration of the Eucharist.
 
A female priesthood and the doctrine of “in persona Christi” are not compatible. It would mean Jesus is female and not the bridegroom of the Church, but the bride of the Church. Brides don’t get married to “Mother Church”; only bridegrooms do.
 
a thought…what would the rectory be like?? or would there have to be 2?
 
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jjwilkman:
a thought…what would the rectory be like?? or would there have to be 2?
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That’s an important point, but not sure it would matter depending upon the individual parish and the arrangements made for the priests.

In any case, for an answer to that, as a model, look to the Fire Dept’s when women were accepted. I (as a woman) was a firefighter and long after that time period so now the stations are equipped with quarters for men and women, although in some stations the women do sleep in the same large room as the men. Every station has different arrangements.

To introduce a woman to a multi-priest rectory would be to cause an occasion of sin. Both called to be celibate, but yet all the ingredients of a potential relationship could be there. (in the normal world…ideas in common, religion in common, etc.).

The implications of this are just too terrible to contemplate. I love and trust our priests and I, for one, would prefer to protect them from ever having to deal with any kind of temptation such as this!

I do thank God that he really made this so clear so long ago and I pray that he opens the herts of those who just don’t understand to open their minds and hearts to the truth.
 
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frdave20:
with all due respect, what is the point of this thread? the Holy Father has stated, infallibly, that women cannot be priests for a variety of reasons that culminate into the fact that the Church has not the power to confer ordination upon women.

Looking into history – namely Biblical history – Christ did not ordain women. If he did, would not it seem likely that he would have ordained his own Mother. Yet, he did not. Rather, he exalted her above all women and coferred a dignity upon her, that extends to all women. Each of us has a role in the life of the Church. For men, this role can include the consecrated life in the priesthood. Women can also enter into religious life and can also be the nurturers and dispensers of the Faith within the home. All of these roles are done for the same purpose – the edification of Holy Mother Church and for the glorification of God, Himself. The case of women priests is a moot point – a non-issue.
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:amen: frdave20:blessyou:
 
Also, I heard Fr. Corapi speak one time, he said, “If you ever go to a Catholic Church and they have a woman Priest there-RUN, far, far away”!!

I would!:yup:
 
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MaggieOH:
It is about power, and not service. Rome has already spoken and the position carries the same weight as any other dogma. It will not and cannot happen.
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My Sister Maggie,

It is ONLY about service. Ordination is a gift…not a right. Rome has nothing to do with it. Only Jesus.

There are several article available on this site by Mark Shea.
.Ordination Is Not a Right (This Rock: May-June 2001)

WHY NO WOMEN’S ORDINATION (This Rock: January 1996)

These are both very clear and lay out why there will never be women’s ordination.

May our Blessed Mother hold you and bring you to her Son with love and yearning to seek and hear the Truth,
 
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dwc:
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he church’s reasoning seems to boil down to: Christ only ordained men and we have always done it this way. It seems entirely feasible to me that Christ didn’t ordain women because of the cultural roles played at that time and women wouldn’t have been accepted as spiritual leaders. Of course, there’s no way to definitively know this.

The argument that Jesus did not give women priestly roles due to cultural roles played at the time is extremely weak. Jesus did many, many things that went against social norms throughout his public ministry. As examples: eating with sinners, tax collectors, the unclean, etc. He healed a man on the Sabbath. Etc, etc, etc. Jesus did not do things to be accepted. He spoke and lived the truth, often going against social norms. He would have placed women in authority roles if he had wanted to.
 
The question is forever settled in scripture. The bishop must be the husband of ONE WIFE. Or----A woman is not to usurp or show authority over the man.
Plain Enough?
 
i have to admit, i’m sort of surprised…i guess i’m a progressive Catholic but i’m not against women being ordinated…I think that women play a crucial role in the church.
I was an alter girl in church far before it was acceptable…and i think it was a great thing. Women should be allowed to be priests! God in my mind wants to spread the word, why does he care if a Man or a Woman does it?
 
He would have placed women in authority roles if he had wanted to.
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Of course he could have IF he wanted to but the fact remains that he did not and this teaching is infallible and unchageable. The Radicals need to get this through their heads and accept it or they need to leave.
 
Why do we, as humans, try to change what God has put forth?
If God sent his son, Jesus Christ, and he chose 12 MALE apostles, why isn’t it good enough??

Why isn’t it good enough to follow the design set forth by God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Why do we think we know better than God?? It is this train of thought that has brought about abortion, wars, homosexuality, women “priests,” etc.
 
It all boils down to pride larabella79 it’s the same pride that cause Lucifer to fall and become Satan peopel want to follow their own way because they still believe the lie “you will be like God” Because in their pride they think they know so much and that it puts them above God.
 
It would seem from scripture and the earliest of church tradition that women could be accepted in the diaconate, but not the priesthood or episcopate.

Anyway, that’s just my opinion.
 
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