Women pastors/preachers in 'Bible only' denominations

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I made a post on another thread and mentioned I had thought about starting a thread on this subject. I also have another thread to discuss those ‘extra or other non-Biblical’ doctrines Catholics hear in a lot of discussions. I provide scriptures and attribute our differences to interpretational differences, even though most Protestants won’t admit that.

Now, I’d like to discuss an ‘extra’ doctrine of a lot of Protestant Churches, that is not only ‘extra’, or ‘non-Biblical’, but seems to be against scriptures.

I used to visit an Assembly of God Church forum, where several women pastors/preachers posted. When I asked them about the scriptures teaching against women speaking in the Churches or to use Church to speak with authority over a man, they explained it was outdated and only pertained to those times.

This appears to be ‘taking away from scriptures’. What else can we say is outdated and only pertained to those times?

If the scriptures are the only authority for all people, how can this be ignored? How can it be for all, but not all generations? How do we decide what scriptures we are allowed to ignore?

**1Co 14:34 Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak but to be subject, as also the law saith.
1Co 14:35 But if they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.

Gen 3:16 To the woman also he said: I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children, and thou shalt be under thy husband’s power, and he shall have dominion over thee.

Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things that become sound doctrine:
Tit 2:2 That the aged men be sober, chaste, prudent, sound in faith, in love, in patience.
Tit 2:3 The aged women, in like manner, in holy attire, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teaching well:
Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be wise, to love their husbands, to love their children.
Tit 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, sober, having a care of the house, gentle, obedient to their husbands: that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9 For the man was not created for the woman: but the woman for the man.**

Any thoughts?
 
I don’t know but I do know foursquare gospel church ordains women, then they don’t keep track of them afterward. 🤷
 
i hear you. i am totally, totally against this practice in Protestant churches, and find it upsetting and heretical.

for anyone, anyone to say that we don’t need to follow the clear commands in the Bible as they stand, especially as this command is in the NT and not a Levitical law which passed away with Christ, is monstrous, and deeply tragic.

times change. standards and expectations of people change. God’s Word does not change, and what He expected in the 1st Century, He expects in the 21st.

taking up one’s cross and following Him means sacrificing the flesh, desires, and preferences in lieu of God’s commands and Christ’s yoke. Protestant women who preach, teach, and exercise authority over men within their churches are chosing self rather than humility and discipline… and while i understand why they say what they do and why they want to do this, we can not both obey and disobey Christ. they may mean well and truly want to work for God, but you can’t work for God while you dismiss His words, can you?

there are many Biblical and correct ways for God-fearing and spiritually enthusiastic women to serve within church, and indeed every woman should serve. just not as teachers or preachers.
 
I’ve heard the arguments some Protestants use to accept women “ordination”. (Notice, I said some. 😉 )

“Oh, that was just for back then.”
“That doesn’t mean literally.”
“Paul was kinda sexist. We don’t have to listen to him.”
“But Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell what she had seen! That means Jesus thinks it’s okay!”

I know, because I used to be one of those liberal Protestants. :o 😃 However, it took some prayer (and maybe God’s 2 x 4) to realize that Paul was not a sexist man, and that women have their place and role in the Church body. Does that mean women are inferior or unequal? No, and Scripture affirms that fact.

Men are the leaders and priests, and we, as women, are to support them.
 
It would seem that Paul must have been dealing with specific problems with the women in Corinth and Ephesus. For in 1 Corinthians 11:5 Paul speaks of women prophesying, which clearly requires talking.
But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. (1Co 11:5 NASB)
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As for women teaching or having authority over men, we know that Priscilla taught Apollos. But more importantly we have the Old Testament example of Deborah judging and instructing Israel. Since Scripture will not contradict itself, Paul must have had particular circumstances in mind when writing about women.
 
This is one of those things I have a hard time in understanding with some Protestants. It blatantly says in the Bible that women should be silent in churches.
 
SyCarl ~

Deborah was acting as a judge, not a priestness.

in addition, prophesying within church is not the same as teaching or leading male believers as the head of a local church.

women should keep quiet in church, and leave the teaching, the worship service, and the leadership up to men; this is Biblical. that does not mean they are not to pray, prophesy, and serve with the saints, in the congregation.
 
SyCarl, do you wear a headcovering while praying? 😉

A woman is free to pray/prophesy; she cannot however, lead a Mass.
 
in addition, 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 both cite the ideal leader of a church or overseer within a church as “the husband of one wife”.

this can only be a man, and no mention or allowance is made for the wives of one husband filling the same office.

women can and should serve within the church, ministering to other women, to children, serving people outside the church for Christ’s sake, and sharing the Good News with non-believers. but within the church the Bible is clear that her place is under men, not wearing a cassock and administering communion.
 
grace_singh said:
SyCarl ~

Deborah was acting as a judge, not a priestness.

in addition, prophesying within church is not the same as teaching or leading male believers as the head of a local church.

women should keep quiet in church, and leave the teaching, the worship service, and the leadership up to men; this is Biblical. that does not mean they are not to pray, prophesy, and serve with the saints, in the congregation.
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My church does not have priests or priestesses. However, with respect to Deborah she gave God’s word to Israel and had authority over them As Paul he does not allow a woman to have authority over men, he must be speaking of a special situation, because in Deborah, God Himself gave her authority over men.

With respect to prophesying, Paul writes of women doing this. Since women can speak in this way, Paul must have been writing of a situation where women speaking was causing problems, not as a general rule.
 
SyCarl said:
My church does not have priests or priestesses. However, with respect to Deborah she gave God’s word to Israel and had authority over them As Paul he does not allow a woman to have authority over men, he must be speaking of a special situation, because in Deborah, God Himself gave her authority over men.

With respect to prophesying, Paul writes of women doing this. Since women can speak in this way, Paul must have been writing of a situation where women speaking was causing problems, not as a general rule.
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Who cares what happened in the old testament. Your Jesus decided what he wanted. He chose men.
 
But Deborah did not have authority in a church setting. She acted as a Judge, which is much different than priest or pastor.

Come visit my parish. Many women wear headcoverings, including myself. 🙂
 
I didn’t know you had started a thread on this issue so I posted this on the thread where you first asked:

I don’t know where the Assembly of God gets this idea but it doesn’t come from the Bible. This is somewhat strange because they hold to scriptural teachings in most other areas.

As for the main line Protestants, they have pretty much abandoned the idea of scriptural authority in this and most other things. They have no authority other than themselves. It reminds me of the age of the O.T. judges where “everyone did what was right in his own eyes.” Judges 21:25. It also would appear they are headed for oblivion much like the lost tribes of Israel.

You won’t find very many Baptist churches with women as pastors. The Baptist Faith and Message, which has precatory authority, says: “While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.” Last year I believe there were two churches removed from SBC fellowship for having female pastors–one in Texas and one in Georga.
 
StrawberryJam said:
I don’t know but I do know foursquare gospel church ordains women, then they don’t keep track of them afterward. 🤷
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You mean you are so hung up on one author and her insignificcant little book because she claimed to be ordained by both Foursquare and the Vineyard Churches that you missed the elephant.

Foursquare was founded by and its first President was a woman.
 
4Squarebaby said:
You mean you are so hung up on one author and her insignificcant little book because she claimed to be ordained by both Foursquare and the Vineyard Churches that you missed the elephant.

Foursquare was founded by and its first President was a woman.
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Okay, can you even provide me a list of all the women ordained so I can see what they are like?

You seem to indicate there is absolutely no oversight on them. I wonder how much she had to pony up to be ordained.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Okay, can you even provide me a list of all the women ordained so I can see what they are like?

You seem to indicate there is absolutely no oversight on them. I wonder how much she had to pony up to be ordained.
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Actually I said I don’t know try the Foursquare website or try to contact a supervisor. From that you took the position that their is no oversight of someone once ordained who neither I, one individual church member for seven years, or you somebody who ran across a website, neither one of us have any ideal where she stands today except for her book.

I just pointed out with dual ordinations by Foursquare rules she should not be a pastor of a church. Should the church hire mercenaries to hunt her down, kill her and spread her ashes all because she wrote ordianed by Foursquare and Vineyard Churches on an advertisement for a book?
 
4Squarebaby said:
Actually I said I don’t know try the Foursquare website or try to contact a supervisor. From that you took the position that their is no oversight of someone once ordained who neither I, one individual church member for seven years, or you somebody who ran across a website, neither one of us have any ideal where she stands today except for her book.

I just pointed out with dual ordinations by Foursquare rules she should not be a pastor of a church. Should the church hire mercenaries to hunt her down, kill her and spread her ashes all because she wrote ordianed by Foursquare and Vineyard Churches on an advertisement for a book?
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I don’t think it is that hard to keep track of those you give a sacrament of ordination to. I mean, unless it is a matter of money and being handed out like candy that is.

Imagine if the catholic church said what you are saying now. Geeze, how can we keep track of father bob?
 
Ok so no more women lectors. No Eucharist distributors. Afterall they do have to speak the words “The Body of Christ”.
 
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