Women priests and artificial ecumenism

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Women cannot being ordained is doctrine, the liturgy in a specific language is discipline. Dogma and doctrine cannot change while disciplines can change.
 
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This. Also, though married priests isn’t the norm, they already exist. The pastor of our parish cluster is a married man. He’s a convert who got special permission from Rome… So there’s that…
 
I think a lot of people when some Catholics try and explain the whole women and priesthood thing just hear something like “it’s an old rule so that’s why we do it” and then it turns them off from wanting to hear more. Or like some things only God knows the answer to and we won’t know until we meet Him isn’t something that sits right with some people at all.

Ive only dealt with talking about this with teenagers and younger kids I taught, and I’ve found that meeting them w where they at is the only way to get things across.

Being a priest transcends being a man just in the same way being a father transcends just being a man. It’s more than just you are a woman and therefore can’t be a priest, I’m confident there are women out there that would make great priests. But that’s not what they are called to do in the same sense.

Or saying like we are all baptized priest prophet and king. We are all priests and are all called to do certain things in life.

Idk. This is one of those things that anyone who is trying to talk about it should know and understand what they feel and actually believe before trying to convince someone otherwise. That doesn’t make one party wrong because they don’t have all the facts yet, but it’s like the blind leading the blind almost.
 
Methinks Mr. Anglican is committing a big sin of pride here. I will pray for him rather than think uncharitable thoughts. I am probably friendlier towards the idea of women priests than most on this forum, but the idea of an Anglican gloating over having them first completely turns me off to the idea.
 
Pioneers maybe but restoring tradition unlikely. Better “bet” on deaconesses since they existed within the Early Church under the direct supervision of the Apostles themselves.
I even found some Russian EO priests who had views friendly aboit deaconesses and how.their existance was terminated without reason.
 
It is inconceivable to me given the fruits, but there are Catholic leaders who seem to want to follow the Anglicans wherever they go…may the Holy Spirit protect us from them.

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First remember that the Catholic Church, as an organisation, takes 100 years to make up its mind and 1,000 years to change it. Women priests may come at some time in the future, but not in our lifetimes.

Pope John Paul II said that he didn’t believe he had the authority to ordain women to the priesthood and banned further debate for 15 years. An important consideration is that the Catholic Church seeks unity with the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox Communions (yes, they are different) and any hint of possible female priests would set back our harmonious dialogue for centuries. They won’t even allow female chickens on Mount Athos.
 
Me reading that first quote:

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Pope John Paul II made it very clear:

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.

Source: Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (May 22, 1994) | John Paul II
 
Thank you @edwest211.

Directly above the quotation you made Pope Saint John Paul II wrote:

"Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force. "

You would think that these taken together along with the complete text of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis would put an end to discussion about women’s ordination but some people just plug their ears and pretend that it’s still up for debate.

/me sighs
 
I heard a priest on Catholic radio who was asked what “definitively held” meant. It is obvious that the Church can say this and there are those who can’t accept it.
 
Every new generation has to ask the same questions to learn. Every little kid asks “Who created God?” when learning about things that have a beginning and an end. Just because all 7-year-old know how to read this year doesn’t mean that all 7-year-olds know how to read the next year.

Patience is a virtue and it definitely is one when answering the same questions over and over and over and over again and again and again.
 
jimXroberts said:
Pope John Paul II said that he didn’t believe he had the authority to ordain women to the priesthood and banned further debate for 15 years.
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He did more than that, he noted that it was an infallible teaching of the Church under the Ordinary Infallible Magisterium. Ergo, it cannot change.
 
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Pretty sure the first Mass was in the vernacular.
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And several Popes gave permission for the Mass to be said in the vernacular. Pope Adrian II giving permission to St Cyril to use the Slavic language, instead of Greek or Latin, is a prime example.
 
bumblebee,

I agree that the inability of many Catholics to articulate why the Church teaches that women cannot be priests hinders our ability to help others accept this teaching. Is that what you are saying?
 
jimXroberts said:
Pope John Paul II said that he didn’t believe he had the authority to ordain women to the priesthood and banned further debate for 15 years. An important consideration is that the Catholic Church seeks unity with the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox Communions (yes, they are different) and any hint of possible female priests would set back our harmonious dialogue for centuries. They won’t even allow female chickens on Mount Athos.
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While that is important background, the immediate context of OS was the ordination of women as bishops in the Church of England. That is the background for the Anglican’s comment “arrogant” comments. In 1893 the Pope said Anglican orders were “absolutely null and void.” A century later, another Pope tried to dissuade the English from ordaining women as bishops, but was constrained by the assertion that the English do not ordain anyone.

From the Anglican perspective, this is not a serene declaration, but a confused mangle; it is something that he legitimately believes cannot stand. It is not at all unreasonable.
 
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