Women Priests: They just don't get it!

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According to this article (ottawa.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ot-ordination20050726&ref=rss), nine women were ordained, either as priests, or deacons, in the Roman Catholic Church. The article is quoted as follows:
The Canadian woman who took part in a religious ceremony in the Thousand Islands area, Monday, calls the event an important step in changing the Roman Catholic Church.The Canadian woman who took part in a religious ceremony in the Thousand Islands area, Monday, calls the event an important step in changing the Roman Catholic Church.
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They don’t seem to understand that it’s up to the Catholic Church to change this. Even the Pope doesn’t have the authority to change what was established by Christ. What a shame!
 
It’s sad because these women actually think that the Church operates the same way American politics does. They think that if they just keep pushing the issue into the face of the bishops that eventually women will be priests. It seeems no one has explained to them that that is not how the Church has operated or ever will operate. They can pretend they are priests or deacons or even aliens if they want to, but that does mean that any of them are really are a priest, a deacon, or from Mars. On second thought… :rolleyes:
 
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Lorrie:
Won’t they be excommunicated because of this?
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Yes, they will. In fact, I believe that the article stated that some of them already were excommunicated prior to this. :rolleyes:
 
Michael Welter:
Yes, they will. In fact, I believe that the article stated that some of them already were excommunicated prior to this. :rolleyes:
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I naturally feel sorry for anyone who gets excommunicated, but not too much since they usually know exactly what they’re doing and what the consequences are. Surely they (these women) know they are going against God’s law, correct? Were the women identified? If I was them I wouldn’t have done it, most importantly, and I definitely wouldn’t have made myself (name, etc) known just simply out of fear of being mobbed on the street. 😉
 
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Lorrie:
Won’t they be excommunicated because of this?
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Yes, being invalidly ordained is an automatic excommunication.

Of course, excommunication doesn’t mean these people have necessarily lost their salvation. Excommunication is meant to give a wake up call to those who balantly go against Church teaching so they will see their error and come back, asking their bishop to be reinstalled after making a good confession for their sin(s).
 
wrong, nobody got ordained, nobody did any ordaining. for attempting ordination invalidly and illicitly all parties concerned were immediately and automatically excommunicate - I leave it to our Deacons to give the latin term, which I can’t pronounce or spell.
 
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puzzleannie:
wrong, nobody got ordained, nobody did any ordaining. for attempting ordination invalidly and illicitly all parties concerned were immediately and automatically excommunicate - I leave it to our Deacons to give the latin term, which I can’t pronounce or spell.
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I know I am not one of the deacons but how about a religious order candidate?

It is a latae sententiae excommunication.
 
Since this occured with Canadian women, I am wondering if the “Culture of Perversion” judges up there will try to force the Catholic Church there to accept these women as priests.

PF
 
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WanderAimlessly:
Since this occured with Canadian women, I am wondering if the “Culture of Perversion” judges up there will try to force the Catholic Church there to accept these women as priests.
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Now THAT would be an interesting fight:

Canadian Judges vs. God
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WanderAimlessly:
Since this occured with Canadian women, I am wondering if the “Culture of Perversion” judges up there will try to force the Catholic Church there to accept these women as priests.

PF
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I think they can attempt to force the issue, but I don’t think the government can actually make the Church in Canada assign them to parishes. At worst, IF it’s brought to court, and IF the women and government win their suit, the women will probably find themselves sitting in an office or at home, doing nothing, without faculties, under obedience to their bishops, as those are the people who are supposed to assign them. The alternative is that the bishops who ordained them, who are currently without that faculty because of the attempted ordination, will all go out and start their own heretical denomination and throw the word “Catholic” in the name. The courts can say these women are legitimately priests, but the power to grant faculties rest with the bishops in obedience to Rome.:twocents:

BTW, puzzleannie got it right, in my opinion.
 
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WanderAimlessly:
Since this occured with Canadian women, I am wondering if the “Culture of Perversion” judges up there will try to force the Catholic Church there to accept these women as priests.

PF
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I don’t think so as no Catholic Bishop ordained them.

A priest generally has faculties in the Diocese of the bishop who ordained him. As no true Catholic Bishop did this “ordination”, it was done outside of the Church.

They can run around claiming it was Catholic but it wasn’t.
 
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ByzCath:
I don’t think so as no Catholic Bishop ordained them.

A priest generally has faculties in the Diocese of the bishop who ordained him. As no true Catholic Bishop did this “ordination”, it was done outside of the Church.

They can run around claiming it was Catholic but it wasn’t.
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But we are dealing with the judiciary who have already put themselves above God. With them, anything goes. What will prevent them from seizing the power from the Church and put in their own sycophants like King Henry did in England.

PF
 
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WanderAimlessly:
But we are dealing with the judiciary who have already put themselves above God. With them, anything goes. What will prevent them from seizing the power from the Church and put in their own sycophants like King Henry did in England.

PF
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True, I highly doubt they would/could do this as there are no laws or precedent for them to do so. After all, no one involved in these “ordinations” were Catholic and I question their saying that no Catholic Diocese has any jurisdiction. If no Catholic Diocese has any jurisdiction then how could the “ordiantion” occur without any apporval?

Now if it does happen though, the Church can prevent it by pulling out and excommunicated any Catholics who go along with it.

I am awaiting the day when we have a schism in America. I fear that there will be large areas in North America with no Catholic Churches where there used to be ones.
 
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puzzleannie:
wrong, nobody got ordained, nobody did any ordaining. for attempting ordination invalidly and illicitly all parties concerned were immediately and automatically excommunicate - I leave it to our Deacons to give the latin term, which I can’t pronounce or spell.
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Dear annie,

The following quotes from Canon Law and other authoritative documents might be helpful in this matter:
Pastor Bonus:
The Congregation [for the Doctrine of the Faith] examines offences against the faith and more serious ones both in behaviour or in the celebration of the sacraments which have been reported to it and, if need be, proceeds to the declaration or imposition of canonical sanctions in accordance with the norms of common or proper law.
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Redemptionis Sacramentum:
Delicts against the faith as well as *graviora delicta *committed in the celebration of the Eucharist and the other Sacraments are to be referred without delay to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which “examines [them] and, if necessary, proceeds to the declaration or imposition of canonical sanctions according to the norm of common or proper law”.
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Can. 1024:
A baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly.
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Can. 1378.2:
The following incur an automatic (latae sententiae) penalty of interdict or if a cleric, an automatic (latae sententiae) suspension:
(1) one who has not been promoted to the priestly order and who attempts to enact the liturgical action of the Eucharistic Sacrifice
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Can. 1379:
Outside the cases mentioned in can. 1378, one who simulates the administration of a sacrament is to be punished with a just penalty.
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Can. 1326:
  1. A judge can punish more severely than a law or a precept has stated:
    (1) a person who after condemnation or after a declaration of a penalty still commits an offense so as to be prudently presumed to be in continuing bad will in light of the circumstances;
    (2) a person who has been given some dignified position or who has abused authority or office in order to commit the offense;
    (3) an accused who although a penalty has been established against a culpable offense, foresaw what was to happen yet nonetheless did not take the precautions which any diligent person would have employed to avoid it.
  2. If the penalty established is an automatic one (latae sententiae), another penalty or a penance can be added in those cases mentioned in part 1.
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Hope this helps.
 
I wonder if these women swallowed that old story about bishops’ sees extending “from river to river.” A literal, and mistaken, understanding of that might make them think no bishop has jurisdiction on the river. They are wrong about that, as they are about everything else they believe.

What a bizarre bunch. Full of pride, full of demands, full of themselves. Not exactly the right attitude for those seeking ‘ordination’ and not a sign of a true calling from God.

Nobody, not even every unmarried Catholic male adult person, has a right to be ordained, let alone women intent on expressing their dissidence by simulating sacraments. I am surprised they did not follow up by attempting to walk across the water back to the shore. And disappointed.
 
Severinus, good post but I want to say something more.
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severinus:
What a bizarre bunch. Full of pride, full of demands, full of themselves. Not exactly the right attitude for those seeking ‘ordination’ and not a sign of a true calling from God.
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This is true, but there is two very big sign that this is not a true calling from God.
  1. The call did not come though His Church. One is called to ordination by a religious superior or a bishop.
  2. These are women.
 
While I personally see these women as crack pots, I would disagree that they are knowingly going against what is God’s will in this matter. While they are certainly and with knowledge going against what the Church and the Pope and Bishops teach about ordination to the priesthood, I am certain that in their minds they believe they are following God’s calling and will for them. I think it is so sad that at least the one from Minnesota thought she could come back home and continue to work and minister in her parish and even say Mass in er home. She is in line for a sad awakening I am sure. Their original feelings of frustration are only going to be multiplied and like their counterparts from Europe they will ignore any excommunication or penalties exacted upon them by the hierarchy. Just part of the on going spirit of the reformation.
 
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ByzCath:
Severinus, good post but I want to say something more.

This is true, but there is two very big sign that this is not a true calling from God.
  1. The call did not come though His Church. One is called to ordination by a religious superior or a bishop.
  2. These are women.
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Right on both counts.
 
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