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I am afraid I wasn’t clear. You have a bunch of names that you claim that they agree with you. But that is all they are a bunch of names without stating how they are suppose to agree with you. One was a just a writer. There were priest who have dubious records. You are making the claim that they agree with you. It is your claim your job to provide the evidence that they do agree with you. Otherwise it looks like you are pulling every name you can to bolster your wobbly claim.
Not at all. If you just goggle the names you will get a short biography on each of them. The biography will tell you their beliefs and teachings. I was asked for A NAME. I gave that and, generously, much more. If you are a self proclaimed scholar you will check them out and learn something. 😉
 
Since you are saying the opposite what are you agreeing to. By what authority do you declare that it is not part of the deposit of faith when the cited document signed by Joseph Card. Ratzinger says it is. Where do you get your authority?
We’ve been trolled. :eek:
 
Since you are saying the opposite what are you agreeing to. By what authority do you declare that it is not part of the deposit of faith when the cited document signed by Joseph Card. Ratzinger says it is. Where do you get your authority?
Where does HE get the authority? Only a Pope from the “Chair of Peter,” can make such a statement. And in this case, not even the Pope can make an Ex Cathedra statement about this subject because it does not involve a matter of FAITH AND MORALES. :yawn:
 
Not at all. If you just goggle the names you will get a short biography on each of them. The biography will tell you their beliefs and teachings. I was asked for A NAME. I gave that and, generously, much more. If you are a self proclaimed scholar you will check them out and learn something. 😉
So you gave names it didn’t matter what names you gave names. None of them actually had anything to do with your claims. I looked them up something which you really didn’t do.
 
Where does HE get the authority? Only a Pope from the “Chair of Peter,” can make such a statement. And in this case, not even the Pope can make an Ex Cathedra statement about this subject because it does not involve a matter of FAITH AND MORALES. :yawn:
An ignorant statement. Where is your authority to decide what is faith and morals . So you decided that it didn’t concern faith and morals just housekeeping. :whacky:
 
Not presented incorrectly, just not an issue concerned with the faith or morals of the Church.🙂
Sure. Which is why it was said to be part of the deposit of the faith.

A few more, for post-padding, maybe.

GKC
 
The Missouri Synod Lutheran Church has a book titled “Women Pastors?”. This book explains why women have other roles in the Church and not be a pastor/priest.

There are thirty essays in this volume, representing Lutheran churches throughout the world. The essays are divided into four sections: Biblical studies, historical studies, doctrinal studies and practical studies.

This updated edition adds six additional essays, three which are from women offering a female voice on the subject of the role of women in the Church.

“It is striking that in the ancient Near East, where female deities and priestesses were abundant, Israel was told to have only male priests. Similarly, in the Greco-Roman world, where female gods and priestesses flourished, the Church restricted the apostolic-pastoral office to men. This volume is to be commended for similarly resisting the prevailing cultural novelties by supporting, in a scholarly and churchly manner, the God-given order for the Church’s ministry. Women as well as men are blessed when they hear and follow the living, healing voice of Jesus in the prophetic and apostolic Scripture.”
-Rev. Dr. Dean O. Wenthe, President, Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana
Editors:
Matthew C. Harrison, LCMS Synod President

John T. Pless is Assistant Professor, Pastoral Ministry and Missions, and Director of Field Education, Concordia Theological Seminary in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

What’s new in the third edition of Women Pastors? Good question, there are the six new essays in the book, and following this I’ve provided the entire Table of Contents. This book is truly the most extensive treatment of this subject and brings to bear a wide range of authors and arguments against the practice of ordaining women as pastors.

Phoebe: A Role Model for Deaconesses Today by Deaconess Cynthia Lumley
Dr. Cynthia Lumley, associate director of deaconess studies at Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana, takes up the case of Phoebe, who is mentioned briely in Roma. 16:1-2. Lumley demonstrates how this Chrisian woman served not as a minister of the Word but in a way that reflected the sacrificial character of Jesus Christ in her support of the work of apostolic ministry.

Disciples But Not Teachers:1 Corinthians 14:33b-38and 1 Timothy 2:11-15by Dr. John Kleinig
Dr. John Kleinig, recently retired after a distinguished teaching career as pastor and seminary professor in the Lutheran Church of Australia, examines 1 Cor. 14:33b-28 and 1 Tim. 2:11-15, demonstrating that women are and must be disciples of Jesus but are not to teach in the liturgical assembly.

The Use of Tractate 26 to Promote the Ordination of Women by John Kleinig
In this shorter piece, Dr. Kleinig argues that Philip Melanchthon’s confession that the ministry of the New Testament is not bound to persons, as was the Levititcal priesthood of the Old Testament, does not open th way for the ordination of women [or actively homosexual persons!]. On the contrary, Melanchthon grounds the authority of the office on the institution of Christ in contrast with the purely human authority of the papacy. The ordination of women is an act of human authority; it cannot be demonstrated as being instituted by Christ.

The Ordination of Women and the Ecclesiastical Endorsement of Homosexuality: Are They Related? by John T. Pless
John T. Pless, assistant professor of pastoral ministry and missions at Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana, examines the coherence and parallelism of theological arguments now being offered for the ordination of practicing homosexuals with those arguments that were and are made for the ordination of women.

Giver to Receiver: God’s Design for the Sexes by Adriane Dorr
Adriane Dorr, managing editor of The Lutheran Witness, examines God’s design for man and woman noting that the differences between male and female are reflected in God’s ordering of the life of both family and church for our blessing.

Vocational Boundaries: The Service of Women within The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod by Kimberly Schave
Deaconess Kimberly Schave applies the doctrine of vocation to the issue of the ordination of women in “vocational boundaries,” lifting up how women are called by God to serve in home, church and world.

This book can be found at www.cph.org or www.amazon.com
 
An ignorant statement. Where is your authority to decide what is faith and morals . So you decided that it didn’t concern faith and morals just housekeeping. :whacky:
The term denotes how the church works from day to day to administer the sacraments and preach the gospel. As for proclaiming a teaching infallible, much more than just a letter from a Cardinal is involved. It is a very, very serious matter. The original, mechanism set up at the Council of Trent was much more involved. It involved a set procedure and not just the consent of the Pope alone. Before he was to proclaim a doctrine Ex Cathedra it was to be reviewed by a chosen panel of Cardinals to search for error. But alas, recent Popes have short circuited that. Fr. John O’Malley, S J, the noted Church historian, has stated that the dogma of Infallibility of the Pope would probably not have been approved at the Council of Trent if it had not been for the start of the Franco Prussian War which erupted in 1870. The bishops at the Council rushed out of the Council and headed for their home dioceses That left a minority of bishops loyal to the sitting Pope who passed the dogma. :eek::eek:.
 
The Missouri Synod Lutheran Church has a book titled “Women Pastors?”. This book explains why women have other roles in the Church and not be a pastor/priest.

There are thirty essays in this volume, representing Lutheran churches throughout the world. The essays are divided into four sections: Biblical studies, historical studies, doctrinal studies and practical studies.

This updated edition adds six additional essays, three which are from women offering a female voice on the subject of the role of women in the Church.

“It is striking that in the ancient Near East, where female deities and priestesses were abundant, Israel was told to have only male priests. Similarly, in the Greco-Roman world, where female gods and priestesses flourished, the Church restricted the apostolic-pastoral office to men. This volume is to be commended for similarly resisting the prevailing cultural novelties by supporting, in a scholarly and churchly manner, the God-given order for the Church’s ministry. Women as well as men are blessed when they hear and follow the living, healing voice of Jesus in the prophetic and apostolic Scripture.”
-Rev. Dr. Dean O. Wenthe, President, Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana
Editors:
Matthew C. Harrison, LCMS Synod President

John T. Pless is Assistant Professor, Pastoral Ministry and Missions, and Director of Field Education, Concordia Theological Seminary in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

What’s new in the third edition of Women Pastors? Good question, there are the six new essays in the book, and following this I’ve provided the entire Table of Contents. This book is truly the most extensive treatment of this subject and brings to bear a wide range of authors and arguments against the practice of ordaining women as pastors.

Phoebe: A Role Model for Deaconesses Today by Deaconess Cynthia Lumley
Dr. Cynthia Lumley, associate director of deaconess studies at Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana, takes up the case of Phoebe, who is mentioned briely in Roma. 16:1-2. Lumley demonstrates how this Chrisian woman served not as a minister of the Word but in a way that reflected the sacrificial character of Jesus Christ in her support of the work of apostolic ministry.

Disciples But Not Teachers:1 Corinthians 14:33b-38and 1 Timothy 2:11-15by Dr. John Kleinig
Dr. John Kleinig, recently retired after a distinguished teaching career as pastor and seminary professor in the Lutheran Church of Australia, examines 1 Cor. 14:33b-28 and 1 Tim. 2:11-15, demonstrating that women are and must be disciples of Jesus but are not to teach in the liturgical assembly.

The Use of Tractate 26 to Promote the Ordination of Women by John Kleinig
In this shorter piece, Dr. Kleinig argues that Philip Melanchthon’s confession that the ministry of the New Testament is not bound to persons, as was the Levititcal priesthood of the Old Testament, does not open th way for the ordination of women [or actively homosexual persons!]. On the contrary, Melanchthon grounds the authority of the office on the institution of Christ in contrast with the purely human authority of the papacy. The ordination of women is an act of human authority; it cannot be demonstrated as being instituted by Christ.

The Ordination of Women and the Ecclesiastical Endorsement of Homosexuality: Are They Related? by John T. Pless
John T. Pless, assistant professor of pastoral ministry and missions at Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana, examines the coherence and parallelism of theological arguments now being offered for the ordination of practicing homosexuals with those arguments that were and are made for the ordination of women.

Giver to Receiver: God’s Design for the Sexes by Adriane Dorr
Adriane Dorr, managing editor of The Lutheran Witness, examines God’s design for man and woman noting that the differences between male and female are reflected in God’s ordering of the life of both family and church for our blessing.

Vocational Boundaries: The Service of Women within The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod by Kimberly Schave
Deaconess Kimberly Schave applies the doctrine of vocation to the issue of the ordination of women in “vocational boundaries,” lifting up how women are called by God to serve in home, church and world.

This book can be found at www.cph.org or www.amazon.com
Now that is interesting. A friend of my wife was a Dominican Nun for many years. She left the Church and was ordained a Lutheran minister.
 
The term denotes how the church works from day to day to administer the sacraments and preach the gospel. As for proclaiming a teaching infallible, much more than just a letter from a Cardinal is involved. It is a very, very serious matter. The original, mechanism set up at the Council of Trent was much more involved. It involved a set procedure and not just the consent of the Pope alone. Before he was to proclaim a doctrine Ex Cathedra it was to be reviewed by a chosen panel of Cardinals to search for error. But alas, recent Popes have short circuited that. Fr. John O’Malley, S J, the noted Church historian, has stated that the dogma of Infallibility of the Pope would probably not have been approved at the Council of Trent if it had not been for the start of the Franco Prussian War which erupted in 1870. The bishops at the Council rushed out of the Council and headed for their home dioceses That left a minority of bishops loyal to the sitting Pope who passed the dogma. :eek::eek:.
Love your history here. Reminds me of another poster, years back.

But do look over what you typed. Sort of a Thomas Bacon, there.

GKC
 
The term denotes how the church works from day to day to administer the sacraments and preach the gospel. As for proclaiming a teaching infallible, much more than just a letter from a Cardinal is involved. It is a very, very serious matter. The original, mechanism set up at the First Vatican Council was much more involved. It involved a set procedure and not just the consent of the Pope alone. Before he was to proclaim a doctrine Ex Cathedra it was to be reviewed by a chosen panel of Cardinals to search for error. But alas, recent Popes have short circuited that. Fr. John O’Malley, S J, the noted Church historian, has stated that the dogma of Infallibility of the Pope would probably not have been approved at the Council of Trent if it had not been for the start of the Franco Prussian War which erupted in 1870. The bishops at the Council rushed out of the Council and headed for their home dioceses That left a minority of bishops loyal to the sitting Pope who passed the dogma. :eek::eek:.
 
Love your history here. Reminds me of another poster, years back.

But do look over what you typed. Sort of a Thomas Bacon, there.

GKC
Hardly, just a typo. I’m not infallible, you know Are you ? However, the rest of the story is right on the button. Read up on it. 🤷
 
For any lurkers out there, below is enough evidence to confirm that the teaching on the male priesthood is indeed a divinely revealed dogma. Obstinate refusal to assent to the belief results in a latae sententiae excommunication.*Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful. (Pope John Paul II, speaking ex cathedra, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, 1994)

Recently a group of priests from a European country issued a summons to disobedience, and at the same time gave concrete examples of the forms this disobedience might take, even to the point of disregarding definitive decisions of the Church’s Magisterium, such as the question of women’s ordination, for which Blessed Pope John Paul II stated irrevocably that the Church has received no authority from the Lord. (Pope Benedict XVI, April 5, 2012)

And, with reference to the ordination of women, the Church has spoken and she said : “No.” John Paul II said it, but with a definitive formulation. That is closed, that door is closed. (Pope Francis I, July 28, 2013)*A true dogma is impervious to voices of obstinate dissent. The faithful may take comfort in the promise of the Holy Spirit, as plainly evidenced above and for 2,000 years.
 
The term denotes how the church works from day to day to administer the sacraments and preach the gospel. As for proclaiming a teaching infallible, much more than just a letter from a Cardinal is involved. It is a very, very serious matter. The original, mechanism set up at the Council of Trent was much more involved. It involved a set procedure and not just the consent of the Pope alone. Before he was to proclaim a doctrine Ex Cathedra it was to be reviewed by a chosen panel of Cardinals to search for error. But alas, recent Popes have short circuited that. Fr. John O’Malley, S J, the noted Church historian, has stated that the dogma of Infallibility of the Pope would probably not have been approved at the Council of Trent if it had not been for the start of the Franco Prussian War which erupted in 1870. The bishops at the Council rushed out of the Council and headed for their home dioceses That left a minority of bishops loyal to the sitting Pope who passed the dogma. :eek::eek:.
I wonder if you know who the Cardinal is? Do you know what a typo is? Do you know how to document your statements? Can you site a source? Do you even have one? What Popes do you refer to?
 
I wonder if you know who the Cardinal is? Do you know what a typo is? Do you know how to document your statements? Can you site a source? Do you even have one? What Popes do you refer to?
I got another question.

GKC
 
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