I’m sorry I’ve never understood these verses from Paul. Am I to assume that women aren’t allowed to ask theological questions either? When taken literally it sounds like Paul doesn’t want women to speak period. And what is his reasoning that a woman cannot teach a man? I have much to learn even from them. Many school teachers are female so I really don’t understand these verses.
That’s why we need to Catholic Church to help us understand these verses. See what the church says and that will help you understand.
That’s why I am asking Catholics about what the Faith teaches here
I understand that, and I commend you for being here and asking questions.
Because in Protestant sects the pastorship is a job.
So let’s say that I am baptized by a female priestess into the Episcopalian Church. In the Catholic view would I be baptized, or would I not be because their ordination is invalid?
Baptism doesn’t require a validly ordained person to validly administer it. Just a valid subject, form, matter, and intent.First of all I would like to thank everyone for replying. I wasn’t sure exactly how well this thread would go over.
So let’s say that I am baptized by a female priestess into the Episcopalian Church. In the Catholic view would I be baptized, or would I not be because their ordination is invalid?
“Condemning” their ordination of women and “doing the right thing” are one and the same in this instance.
You could be baptized by a priestess, as baptism is one of two sacraments that can be performed by anyone, layman or woman, ordained or not. (The other is marriage, which, to be licit, requires priest and witnesses, but the sacramental character itself is conferred from husband to wife and vice versa.) The other five sacraments require an actual priest (i.e. validly-ordained male), such as the Eucharist or Confession, or a bishop (a male with the fullness of holy orders), such as Holy Orders or (usually) chrismation. On the E Orthodox view, being baptized by a priestess would be 100% invalid, as would being married by a priestess, as Orthodox view those two sacraments as work of the ordained priesthood.First of all I would like to thank everyone for replying. I wasn’t sure exactly how well this thread would go over.
So let’s say that I am baptized by a female priestess into the Episcopalian Church. In the Catholic view would I be baptized, or would I not be because their ordination is invalid?
Honorius, We know for a fact that their was no woman Apostle among the twelve. My question to you is why would any man made protestant church want to go against Jesus Christ in this matter? Could it be if one breaks one rule in starting a man made church it becomes easier and easier to make other mistakes, such as women priest / bishops, etc… etc… etc… going further and further away straying from the truth
I’m not convinced that even in a Catholic context ordaining women has this implication. (For one thing, it’s perfectly orthodox to say that God is beyond male and female, and Catholics have so far failed to provide even moderately coherent rationale for why Jesus must be imitated by priests in this particular way and not in others.) But leaving that aside, it certainly doesn’t have that implication in a Lutheran context. In Lutheran theology, all believers are priests and ordained clergy are simply believers commissioned by the community to minister in Word and Sacrament. That being the case, it seems to me that Catholics ought positively to encourage Lutherans and other Protestants to ordain women, and certainly should have no objection to them doing so. Given priesthood-of-all-believers theology, openness to the ordination of women is theologically mandatory unless one genuinely believes that women are inferior.
Pope Benedict interpreted these passages differently, arguing that the command for women to keep silence is “to be considered relative.” As Pope Benedict pointed out, Paul’s language in Corinthians about women prophesying implies that women did speak openly in the Church in an authoritative manner, with Paul’s approval.
It was a scribal error. What St. Paul really meant to say was that they should keep silent at home.
I would disagree with your first argument since there were no English speakers there to select. There were, however, women there and it is pretty clear biblically that the male has the leadership role in all aspects of life because God is a He in Judeo/Christian religion and He created man to be servant leaders. I think the problem with today’s society is that if you are not the “leader” or don’t have the “prestige of office”, you are no one. (Jesus dealt with a group that felt that way. I think they were called the Pharisees.) And we are so bent on equality and women being just like men that we forget that God made us distinctly for different roles. It reminds me of the apostles wondering who was the “greatest.” Christianity is not about vain ambition and seeking the “leadership” position because it’s not about ME. But we today have not gotten any farther than Adam & Eve. Tell me what it is that I can’t have and I will desire that more than anything.
It’s simply because Mary can never be a father. In whatever role she has, as theotokos, Mother of All, Queen of the Saints, Ark of the Covenant…
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I bet you wouldn’t say that if your wife were on the CAFs and could read this.
The Blessed Ever-Virgin is all of those things. She still isn’t a priest.This may be slightly unrelated but I find it hard to understand the vehement opposition to women priests from some catholics [Roman, Lutheran, Anglicans] who adamantly view Mary as second only to Christ. If we truly believe that the blessed Virgin Mary bore our Savior and is the Theotokos, then as Mother of God, St Mary is unlike any other and has a relationship to Jesus that is inseparable.
One Lutheran poster even admitted that his female pastor was a wonderful joy for him yet he left the ELCA because of women’s ordination.