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Kellyreneeomara
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Daddy’s Girl AMEN !
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Moonbug
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I didn’t know that. Ironic I mentioned Twain’s literary style, which I have always admired. If you haven’t read them yet, permit me to suggest a couple of fine reads: “RENDER UNTO ROME” by Jason Berry, “WHAT HAPPENED AT VATICAN II,” by W. O’Malley, and a real Corker, “WHY PRIESTS?” by Garry Wills. Chow!
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My presumption is that Women’s ordination is an easy and quick test to see if a church is straying away from orthodoxy. Sadly, even easier tests are forthcoming.Daddy’s Girl AMEN !
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All suggestions readily accepted. Wills is not my favorite writer.I didn’t know that. Ironic I mentioned Twain’s literary style, which I have always admired. If you haven’t read them yet, permit me to suggest a couple of fine reads: “RENDER UNTO ROME” by Jason Berry, “WHAT HAPPENED AT VATICAN II,” by W. O’Malley, and a real Corker, “WHY PRIESTS?” by Garry Wills. Chow!
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O’Malley is John W. O’Malley, S. J. An excellent scholar and a much less ideology-driven recommendation than Wills (though I suppose O’Malley would still be considered on the “liberal” side of the RC spectrum)… I heard him speak on Trent and Vatican II last year, and he did a good job of debunking the common easy contrasts between the two Councils.
Wills is not my favorite author, either ,though there are things I like about him.
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I’ve read and own maybe 6 of his books. Generally, the older they are the more I’m impressed by them.
I shall watch for O’Malley.
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Gotta love the arrogance of these modern theologians…presuming to summarize the history of Christ’s Church in 207 pages, probably with the intent of tacking on some hair-brained notions about how euthanasia is okay and John Paul II was an anti-ecumenical monarch. Pretty bold.
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Why don’t your read it before making up your mind. Wouldn’t that be the smart thing to do. You can find it in almost every public library in the country
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- God Cares and ONLY HE has authority to decide if women should be preachers/ministers/priests.
- Jesus established the priesthood at the Last Supper. There were no women present, not even His Mother or even Mary Magdalene.
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While I don’t agree with a lot of what you say, I have to support you here. (although it isn’t in my library, so I’ll have to special order). . .Why don’t your read it before making up your mind. Wouldn’t that be the smart thing to do. You can find it in almost every public library in the country
It’s been quite a while since I read Kung but to me, he’s like William Faulkner. There have been times in my life that I have DETESTED reading anything by Faulkner, and times when I’ve actually enjoyed reading him. And it’s not as though I hated him in youth and loved him in later years (meaning, not simply experience or ‘wisdom’) that was the reason.
Philosophers, theologians. . .one can’t just read them as one would a novel, or even a ‘historical tome’ or a scientific journal article. One doesn’t just have to have some kind of background in the subject itself, one has to have an openness to considering the entire work from a kind of view that itself is nuanced and layered.
I do prefer Chesterton, and Warren Carroll, and H.W. Crocker, and Hillaire Belloc, not just because they’re all more traditionally-oriented, but because even though they also are nuanced, layered, and require an openness to consideration of their works, they also have a more genuine feel, a greater appeal to the ‘common man’ (or woman) in my opinion. They remind me more of the gospel writers, who may not have gotten everything all scientifically correct, who may have been seeing things ‘their way’ and not been terribly clear expressing themselves, but who deeply and truly believed, and were joyful in conveying that belief.
Kung sometimes reminds me more of the gnostic writers, or of later works of Origen. Much of his work is interesting, quite a bit rings authentically. . .but then there is always that little ‘whiff’ of the "but the real story is this’ when the ‘real story’ is really his personal opinion. even the smallest bit of the "the really knowing Christians reject X and as more become aware, X will become accepted as the truth’’ is enough (for me, anyway) to spoil the rest. Just my personal take, there, and of course, I could be wrong about Kung. . .I’ll certainly keep on reading (in my ‘haha’ spare time, nearly non existent) and try to keep an open mind.
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Well said !! I respect your personal approach and your taste in authors. Your assumption that Kung leans towards the pedantic may have some validity to it. But let’s be truthful about this, what theologian doesn’t lean towards the pedantic, especially German theologians. There are areas in his works where clarity becomes strained. No, a better word would be “involved.” I, however, have always chalked that up to my lack of theological training. You won’t find that sort of tricky tacky in this work. Read the little book. You won’t be disappointed. By the way,you express yourself well. :tiphat::
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Hans Kung is a heretic.
And in recent news, he’s hoping to get assisted suicide because he’s ill.
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I hadn’t heard that, but I can’t say I am surprised. Honestly, despite his supposedly learned pedigree, I sometimes think he may be welcomed in Heaven owing to invincible ignorance. How a man can be Catholic for decades and still think euthanasia is okay is quite beyond my feeble theological powers.
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