Women Priests?

[Isaiah45_9]

If someone has no real interest in a subject, it would be prudent to hold one’s judgment and not accept the first point of view one hears.

The Church has spoken and it has been declared part of the deposit of faith.

Case is closed.

 

[Moonbug]

The Church has spoken and it has been declared part of the deposit of faith.

Case is closed.

Stay tuned !!!

 

[PRmerger]

Yes, this is true. But at the same time one should not believe blindly what anyone post on this web page or any web page.

True, dat. The postings of any particular Catholic ought not be confused with “Thus says the Church”.

But you seem to be quite blind to the postings from Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.

That is an authoritative source.

You, as a Catholic, are no more free to divorce yourself from this teaching, than you are to say, “I believe that Mary is a goddess and can worship her as a Catholic!”

 

[benjohnson]

You, as a Catholic, are no more free to divorce yourself from this teaching, than you are to say, “I believe that Mary is a goddess and can worship her as a Catholic!”

If only there was some sort of Catholic resource available on the internet - where Catholics could come together and suss out the teachings of the church and admonish each-other to follow her teaching.

I bet that would be popular among some.

Alas… I see nothing. Except maybe this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrzfbbgJu8M

 

[Isaiah45_9]

If only there was some sort of Catholic resource available on the internet - where Catholics could come together and suss out the teachings of the church and admonish each-other to follow her teaching.

I bet that would be popular among some.

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You mean like the free online Catechism, the free Vatican repository of Papal Encyclicals and other documents, and this website?

 

[PRmerger]

If only there was some sort of Catholic resource available on the internet - where Catholics could come together and suss out the teachings of the church and admonish each-other to follow her teaching.

I bet that would be popular among some.

If only…

Hey, have all of you offered your financial support to the CAFs?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrzfbbgJu8M‎

haha! “That like 5 of the Apostles were totally women.”

But I don’t understand–“Lutheran satire”? Why is it a Lutheran who is doing this? It sounds, um…quite…Catholic.

 

[steido01]

But I don’t understand–“Lutheran satire”? Why is it a Lutheran who is doing this? It sounds, um…quite…Catholic.

Evangelical Catholic.

 

[PRmerger]

Evangelical Catholic.

Is an Evangelical Catholic loyal to the pope?

 

[steido01]

Is an Evangelical Catholic loyal to the pope?

When he speaks the Gospel truth, yep. We think he’s a pretty swell guy, as well as all the other Patriarchs - and many of us even recognize the primacy afforded to his chair (but not so much his supremacy). We have some old-fashioned Lutheran opposition to some of the nuances of his office, but we long for reconciliation with our Roman brothers and sisters.

Evangelical Catholics are certainly catholic, and sometimes even a bit Catholic.

 

[PRmerger]

When he speaks the Gospel truth, yep. We think he’s a pretty swell guy, as well as all the other Patriarchs - and many of us even recognize the primacy afforded to his chair (but not so much his supremacy). We have some old-fashioned Lutheran opposition to some of the nuances of his office, but we long for reconciliation with our Roman brothers and sisters.

Evangelical Catholics are certainly catholic, and sometimes even a bit Catholic.

I agree with Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong, who states (paraphrasing) that is is ridiculous to claim that there are Roman Catholics, and then a subgroup of Catholics who are not subject to the Roman Pontiff.

And I agree with St. Augustine who states (paraphrasing) that everyone wants to claim the name “Catholic”, but when a stranger comes to your town and asks where is the local Catholic Church, we all know which church you would direct him to.

 

[GKC]

When he speaks the Gospel truth, yep. We think he’s a pretty swell guy, as well as all the other Patriarchs - and many of us even recognize the primacy afforded to his chair (but not so much his supremacy). We have some old-fashioned Lutheran opposition to some of the nuances of his office, but we long for reconciliation with our Roman brothers and sisters.

Evangelical Catholics are certainly catholic, and sometimes even a bit Catholic.

Sort of like some Anglo-Catholics, in this regard.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

 

[steido01]

I agree with Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong, who states (paraphrasing) that is is ridiculous to claim that there are Roman Catholics, and then a subgroup of Catholics who are not subject to the Roman Pontiff.

And I agree with St. Augustine who states (paraphrasing) that everyone wants to claim the name “Catholic”, but when a stranger comes to your town and asks where is the local Catholic Church, we all know which church you would direct him to.

I’m of the mindset that very few things are simple enough to be explained through paraphrase or polemic.

 

[steido01]

Sort of like some Anglo-Catholics, in this regard.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

Yessir, a fair comparison.

 

[steido01]

I’m of the mindset that very few things are simple enough to be explained through paraphrase or polemic.

Although animated gifs can be quite effective.

 

[PRmerger]

I’m of the mindset that very few things are simple enough to be explained through paraphrase or polemic.

And yet here you are explaining your position through paraphrase and polemic.

 

[Moonbug]

True, dat. The postings of any particular Catholic ought not be confused with “Thus says the Church”.

But you seem to be quite blind to the postings from Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.

That is an authoritative source.

You, as a Catholic, are no more free to divorce yourself from this teaching, than you are to say, “I believe that Mary is a goddess and can worship her as a Catholic!”

Oh, but I am. ORDINATO SACERDOTALIS sounds so holy and authoritative , doesn’t it? Amazing how much traction Rome can get from an opinion by throwing a Latin title on it. The Church teaching we are discussing is the sacrament of ordination to the priesthood. Pope John Paul’s letter on the subject is nothing more than his personal opinion that women aren’t qualified. This is not an article of faith declared from the Chair of Peter, and as such, a Catholic is not bound to believe it in order to be a good Catholic. If you doubt my word, why don’t you ask your parish priest about this?

Though I respect John Paul as a Pope, I am aware of the fact that his theology was shaky at best. Almost all of his encyclicals have been questioned for some of their opinions drawn from scripture by many, if not most theologians, living today. But that is another story. In a nutshell, I believe that ORDINATO SACERDOTALIS is no more true than the belief that the moon is made of Cheese.

 

[PRmerger]

Oh, but I am.

No, sir. You may never proclaim as a Catholic that Mary is a goddess.

 

[PRmerger]

But that is another story. In a nutshell, I believe that ORDINATO SACERDOTALIS is no more true than the belief that the moon is made of Cheese.

You are certainly free to express this opinion here.

But you may not say that this is what you believe as a Catholic.

What you need to offer is this disclaimer, “The Church teaches. I disagree.”

 

[Jessie5000]

First, we do not view Protestant churches as invalid and know the Holy Spirit also blesses you and knows no boundaries. The problem of different denominations is seen as a division that has been inflicted upon the body of Christ.

I for one have benefitted from my association with non-Catholics, fellowship with non-Catholics and have been mentored by wonderful protestant brothers and sisters. In the Creed is says "I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Note it says Catholic (catholic means universal). The Creed does not say Roman Catholic, just Catholic (universal).

I think the fact there is over 30,000 denominations is simply evidence of division in the body of Christ and division is a sign of sin existing in Catholics, Prtestants and evangelicals alike.

I would also like to apologize for offensive Comments made by intolerant Catholics in response to your question and assure you there are many loving Catholics as well. Many Catholics, including clergy and theologians appreciate our protestant brethren. Even Pope John Paul would quote CS Lewis.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Just a little reminder.

For any lurkers out there, below is enough evidence to confirm that the teaching on the male priesthood is indeed a divinely revealed dogma. Obstinate refusal to assent to the belief results in a latae sententiae excommunication.Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful. (Pope John Paul II, speaking ex cathedra, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, 1994)

Recently a group of priests from a European country issued a summons to disobedience, and at the same time gave concrete examples of the forms this disobedience might take, even to the point of disregarding definitive decisions of the Church’s Magisterium, such as the question of women’s ordination, for which Blessed Pope John Paul II stated irrevocably that the Church has received no authority from the Lord. (Pope Benedict XVI, April 5, 2012)

And, with reference to the ordination of women, the Church has spoken and she said : “No.” John Paul II said it, but with a definitive formulation. That is closed, that door is closed. (Pope Francis I, July 28, 2013)A true dogma is impervious to voices of obstinate dissent. The faithful may take comfort in the promise of the Holy Spirit, as plainly evidenced above and for 2,000 years.