Women Priests

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Abu said:
It is strange that the reality that the New Testament was assembled, authorized and confirmed by Christ’s Church as the Word of God, and in which Christ’s Catholic Church is identified clearly as His Church – “You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church.” (Mt 16:18) – is so denied that when His Church teaches infallibly that women cannot be ordained priests, that is blithely ignored as of no account…
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Hi, Abu.
I want to make sure I understand what you are saying here. I’m thinking it means that if we can clearly see what the Scriptures say about ordaining women but we cannot see what Matthew 16:18 is saying in regards to Christ’s saying Peter was the rock that He was building His church on?

If this is so, then how Catholics see that verse is different from how Protestants understand it. We go round and round with each other with no one budging from their interpretation. As for women as priests or pastors, I think it’s fairly clear to most of us what the Scriptures tell us there.

This isn’t to create an argument but more of an observation.
 
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I want to make sure I understand what you are saying here. I’m thinking it means that if we can clearly see what the Scriptures say about ordaining women but we cannot see what Matthew 16:18 is saying in regards to Christ’s saying Peter was the rock that He was building His church on?
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If this is so, then how Catholics see that verse is different from how Protestants understand it. We go round and round with each other with no one budging from their interpretation. As for women as priests or pastors, I think it’s fairly clear to most of us what the Scriptures tell us there.
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As Christ clearly identified His Church in the New Testament authorized by Her – the Catholic Church – it is strange that Her teaching, authorized by Him, on men-only priests, is ignored or denied on an individual’s whim. How can any other “interpretation” stand against that of Christ through His Church endowed with infallibility in dogma and doctrine on faith and morals?
 
cmodrmac said:
this to me is clearly a true statement-the Catholic Church has never claimed to be a democracy-that perhaps is its strength-even though the laity disagrees with a particular position such as female Priests or birth control the latiy does know the rules ( at least at some point in their maturation process) & if they don’t like the rules and absolutely can not live with some of them they have the option to leave-yet many do not

why do they not leave -this is unclear and likely complicated

My Church embraced female Priests and it has overall -just in my opinion -been an unmitigatged disaster-for reasons again which I do not totally understand-female Priests or Pastors leads to other issues of human sexuality entering the Church and resulting in all sorts of confusion related to same sex marriage-ordination of lesbians and gays and others-

I do not believe there is any biblical support for women not being ordained and I also do believe that the catholic but even more so the Orthodox will never never ordain women

My specific Church ahs a new female Priest who was very active in the Catholic Church-she says " I did not want to be a dissenting catholic when God called me to the Priesthood-thus I went to the episcopal Church."-good for her-whether it is good for the Church may be a different matter
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Are you part of the episcopal church of America?
 
DaddyGirl said:
If a man has a true, passionate calling to do God’s work in this way, he wouldn’t let the mere fact that women do it get in the way.
That would be ridiculous.
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True, but if the need were there and women were not filling it then the men would be more likely to be involved. Of course, the church elders and pastor should be encouraging these men to understand the need for their spiritual stewardship. The most active elder group I encountered was at a church where the men were spiritually challenged each week to study certain passages and meet to discuss them at a weekly or bi-monthly meeting. It was incredible the amount of men who were involved with worship, leading Bible studies and actively impacting the members in their assigned lists.

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut, DaddyGirl!
 
DaddyGirl said:
Because I’ll say one thing: These women *do *have the calling–with fervor, and with all their soul…or they would not go through all this trouble and risk to do it.
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Maybe some do have a calling. But what do you mean by calling? A calling from God or just a feeling they have? There are also some I think who want to do it just because women weren’t allowed to in the past. I’m aware of many women who went to seminary later in life to be ordained. All that I’ve known have retired in their 60s. Of course in the Protestant world I’m familiar with so do many males. But I’ve not known any women to dedicate their later years to full time ministry. Again, there are plenty of men who don’t either in the Protestant world. But I mention this because from what I’ve seen there is a difference.
 
exnihilo said:
Maybe some do have a calling. But what do you mean by calling? A calling from God or just a feeling they have? There are also some I think who want to do it just because women weren’t allowed to in the past. I’m aware of many women who went to seminary later in life to be ordained. All that I’ve known have retired in their 60s. Of course in the Protestant world I’m familiar with so do many males. But I’ve not known any women to dedicate their later years to full time ministry. Again, there are plenty of men who don’t either in the Protestant world. But I mention this because from what I’ve seen there is a difference.
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I think you are right here but I do not have any national data on this-I know of 2 female Priests who rertired at 66-in the ECUSA there is a mandatory retirement at 72
 
DaddyGirl said:
If a man has a true, passionate calling to do God’s work in this way, he wouldn’t let the mere fact that women do it get in the way.
That would be ridiculous.

It’s not just “stepping up”…is that what being a priest is? Merely “stepping up to be involved”?
If that’s all it is to a man, then I’d say he surely doesn’t have the calling to be a priest.
No way. Forget it, don’t even try.

Because I’ll say one thing: These women *do *have the calling–with fervor, and with all their soul…or they would not go through all this trouble and risk to do it.

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It’s part of the radical feminist deception. And there are those who have an orthodox dedication to spreading deception daily. There is no risk to any woman doing something that goes against Church teaching - except to her soul.

This is all about power and control.

Ed
 
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