Womenpriests valid but illicit?

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It IS allowed to receive at these churches, but there are some caveats. First, they have to ALLOW you to. It is highly unlikely that the Eastern Orthodox would allow you to receive, although some Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East might. Also, attending one of their services will NOT fulfill your Sunday obligation to the Catholic Church, although attending an SSPX service most likely would, since it has an “highly irregular” status, NOT a completely schismatic one. That said, you’d still want to think carefully before attending there.
I thought we were in communion with a number (22?) eastern Catholic Churches, and that attending them would fulfill your Sunday obligation. To be honest - I thought we were actually encouraged to attend by JPII, so see the richness, fullness, and beauty of our Catholic faith.
 
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Is this an ex-cathedra statement, an exercise of the charism of papal infallibility? When this question was asked, the former Cardinal Ratzinger, as JPll’s spokesman, affirmed that it is.

It IS infallible, but not ex-cathedra. An Excathedra statement, like the declarations of a Council are infallible by virtue of the Extraordinary Magisterium. That is the Magistraruium that exposes Truth by extraordinary means.

The Ordinary Sacred Magisterium is the consistant, universal teaching of the Church of all that was passed on by the Apostles. It is authority that defined the 7 Sacraments and how they are to be passed on.

It is through this Infallible teaching that tells us that the Church has no authority to ordain women to the Ministerial Priesthood.
 
This gift God gave to men, the priesthood, to be our mediator between God and man in peronsa Christi.

Women, however, had already been granted a gift, dating back to the dawn of life on this planet. They were given the gift of bearing children. Say what you will about the pains and sufferings, but mothers have a bond with their children that the father can never hope to have. It was through this gift, that women are able to participate in Creation.
Correct, the human person is a union of temporal body and spiritual soul, Ontology and Biology, each element being necessary for a creature to be a human person.

To women, God granted the ability to bring for Biological life. To men, the ability to bring forth Ontological Life. Both are of equal importance in the life of the human person.

In dividing these ‘tasks’ but in a way that involves the cooperation of the other, God showed Himself to be infintetly fair, and infinitely Just. Acting together, in cooperation with God, we bring forth that which God desires most of all, Saints.
 
I thought we were in communion with a number (22?) eastern Catholic Churches, and that attending them would fulfill your Sunday obligation. To be honest - I thought we were actually encouraged to attend by JPII, so see the richness, fullness, and beauty of our Catholic faith.
It is acceptable to go to an Eastern Catholic Church to fufill your Sunday obligation, but not to a Eastern Orthodox Church, which is not subject to the Roman Pontiff
 
The Catholic Church does not have any authority to ordain women, neither did the Old Testament Church. There have never been priestesses in God’s Church.
 
Grace & Peace!

Moreover, the question of who can give birth (women or men) is a question of biology. The question of who can image God is a question of theology and part of the much deeper issues of human ontology and soteriology. The two questions (that of biology and that of theology) are not equivalent.
I’m sorry, I completely disagree. There is nothing, at all, separate about those two issues, besides how human beings organize things. The question of existence and purpose is one that spans across everything from physics to philosophy.

Why is it that everyone these days thinks that scholarly pursuits is contrary to God’s path? Just because the Church Leaders took on secular authority they shouldn’t have with Galileo, doesn’t mean that studying the rest of Creation is evil. Josemaria Escriva says* “Formerly, when human knowledge–science–was very limited, it seemed quite feasible for a single scholar to defend and vindicate our holy faith. Today, with the extension and the intensity of modern science, the apologists have to divide the work among themselves, if they wish to defend the Church scientifically in all fields. You cannot shirk this responsibility.”*

Whatever you may believe, God created the Universe and put us in it for a reason. We were not created like the Angels, fully formed in an instant with unfathomable knowledge. We are born into a vast Universe, full of unimaginable things, so that we may find God’s glory reflected in the rest of his creation. If you deny Creation, your own nature, then you deny God’s plan.

Now I am NOT saying that this is all we’re for, but we are here for a purpose. Our natural tendency to sin, our always leaning in the direction of corruption, it is a task that we must all overcome in our lives.

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Grace & Peace!
I’m sorry, I completely disagree. There is nothing, at all, separate about those two issues, besides how human beings organize things. The question of existence and purpose is one that spans across everything from physics to philosophy.
In one sense, I agree–the deep questions span encompass a number of disciplines and areas. The point I was trying to make, however, is that the fact that women get pregnant is not analogous to the fact that Roman doctrine currently states that only men can be priests. Believing that they are analagous is about as accurate as believing that there is an analogy between a woman undergoing menopause and a man choosing to wear a basball hat. The assertion that an analogy exists is not proof that it does, in fact, exist, no matter how much it may please us if it did.
Why is it that everyone these days thinks that scholarly pursuits is contrary to God’s path? Just because the Church Leaders took on secular authority they shouldn’t have with Galileo, doesn’t mean that studying the rest of Creation is evil. Josemaria Escriva says* “Formerly, when human knowledge–science–was very limited, it seemed quite feasible for a single scholar to defend and vindicate our holy faith. Today, with the extension and the intensity of modern science, the apologists have to divide the work among themselves, if they wish to defend the Church scientifically in all fields. You cannot shirk this responsibility.”*
I would not say that scholarly pursuit is contrary to God’s path. Where do you infer that from what I wrote? I do, however, think that some scholarly pursuits yield results that are uncomfortable to some people. This discomfort can lead those people to further entrench themselves in untenable positions. It is not necessarily God’s will or his path which encourages that entrenchment, however. Galileo is a perfect example of this.

However, the greater question I am asking, and which Claire from DE had a hard time responding to (as a series of “nopes!” however passionately or frequently stated does not construct a particularly cogent or compelling argument) is this: is there a compelling theological basis for the prohibition against women in the priesthood? An assertion that amounts to, “We’ve never done it in the past,” is not compelling, nor is it theology. An assertion based on an absence of evidence is also not compelling, nor is it theology. An assertion that you just can’t is not compelling, nor is it theology. What is the theological basis for the prohibition? If reason is the handmaid of faith, should there not be a compelling theological reason? But no one has supplied one here. There’s lots of emotion, people throwing around words like “abomination” and “sacrilege,” but there’s no reason.

My theory is that the prohibition stems from an ancient understanding of human wholeness as it relates to traditional conceptions of the sexes. A woman is an incomplete man. As we know from old kingship ideas as well as the prohibitions regarding who may be a priest in Leviticus (Lev. 21), deformation, blindness, lameness was a bar to holding such a high office. And women were considered, of course, crippled men, un-whole men. This is why women cannot be priests. Because despite the language of equality espoused from Rome, the practice still reflects an ideology that we all know to be completely false. There is a fundamental disconnect here. BUT–at least this old understanding of the relationship between the sexes supplies more of a theological justification (however distasteful it is to us) for the practice. Ignoring that this is, indeed, at the root of the practice won’t solve anything, won’t convince anyone of anything. It will only serve to gradually erode Rome’s credibility.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is grace and mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
“My theory is that the prohibition stems from an ancient understanding of human wholeness as it relates to traditional conceptions of the sexes. A woman is an incomplete man. As we know from old kingship ideas as well as the prohibitions regarding who may be a priest in Leviticus (Lev. 21), deformation, blindness, lameness was a bar to holding such a high office. And women were considered, of course, crippled men, un-whole men. This is why women cannot be priests.”

The woman is “in all things inferior to the man,” said first century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus. Rabbi Judah, a contemporary of Josephus, said "a man must pronounce three blessings each day: ‘Blessed be the Lord who did not make me a heathen; blessed be he who did not make me a woman; blessed be he who did not make me an uneducated person.’"

**Jewish Rabbis in the first century were encouraged not to teach or even to speak with women. Jewish wisdom literature tells us that “he that talks much with womankind brings evil upon himself and neglects the study of the Law and at the last will inherit Gehenna [hell).” One reason for the avoidance of [/COLOR]women was the belief that they could lead men off course: “From garments cometh a moth and from a woman the iniquities of a man” (Eccl. 42:13). Men were often viewed as basically better than women, for “better is the iniquity of a man than a woman doing a good turn” (Eccl. 42:14).

**In view of this lowly status of women, it is not surprising that they enjoyed few legal rights in Jewish society. Women were not even allowed to testify in a court of law. Furthermore, according to the rabbinic school that followed Rabbi Hillel, a man could legally divorce his wife if she burned his dinner. It was in this oppressive environment that Christianity was born.
 
What is the theological basis for the prohibition?
What I’ve heard is that women cannot be preists because they are supposed to act, I believe the phrase is, Pax Christi, and He was a man.
In view of this lowly status of women, it is not surprising that they enjoyed few legal rights in Jewish society. Women were not even allowed to testify in a court of law. Furthermore, according to the rabbinic school that followed Rabbi Hillel, a man could legally divorce his wife if she burned his dinner. It was in this oppressive environment that Christianity was born.
I don’t think it stems from this. Jesus condemmed such a view, preaching to men and women and he condemmed divorce.
 
My theory is that the prohibition stems from an ancient understanding of human wholeness as it relates to traditional conceptions of the sexes.
You know, growing up, I never did like folks to tell me why I did what I did or thought the way I thought. In this case, there is zero need for speculation as to why the Church does not allow women priests. It is given to us point blank.
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html
To these fundamental reasons the document adds other theological reasons which illustrate the appropriateness of the divine provision, and it also shows clearly that Christ’s way of acting did not proceed from sociological or cultural motives peculiar to his time. As Paul VI later explained: “The real reason is that, in giving the Church her fundamental constitution, her theological anthropology-thereafter always followed by the Church’s Tradition- Christ established things in this way.”(
IN other words, it is a doctrine of the Catholic Church that the ancient societal and cultural understanding of the role of women is not the reason.
 
Only a male is valid matter for ordination.

Just as if the Pope himself tried to consecrate an oreo and Pepsi for communion, no consecration would take place b/c of the lack of valid matter. An “ordination” of a woman would fail b/c of lack of valid matter.

God Bless
 
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