Women's "Jumpers": Yea or Nay

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blessedtoo said:
In fact, wearing a pair of modest heels that slightly pinch when I go to Mass is an opportunity to offer up the pain for the “wedding feast of the Lamb”.
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Hair shirts are one thing, but wearing shoes that are fashionable but don’t fit, on purpose? Now that is sick.

(I’m joking, but only 90%. Take care of those feet, girl, they’re the only ones you get.)
 
I would call what the woman in the catalogue was wearing a farmer dress or floursack dress, and I like them. I find the fabric and the sway of the skirt lovely and feminine. I like the practicality and the strength and the dignity they speak of.
When I think of a jumper, I think of something shorter, with a gathered skirt sewn to a straight waist and square front and back panels, with straps rather than sleeves, often with both patch skirt pockets and a big overall-type chest pocket. They tend to be denim or polka dots or sometimes rainbow stripes, designs like that. I never equated them with excessive modesty, just simple ease of dress and maybe innocence, a girlish look, but there’s nothing wrong with a few outfits you can just throw on.
I was just out looking for more modest clothes. It’s going to be hard in the summer. But I feel sick when I notice I’m not really covered up.
 
EasterJoy said:
Hair shirts are one thing, but wearing shoes that are fashionable but don’t fit, on purpose? Now that is sick.

(I’m joking, but only 90%. Take care of those feet, girl, they’re the only ones you get.)
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You’re not kidding! 😉 Even when they fit, they still pinch! Hey, it ain’t easy being a girl!🙂
 
Trust me, ladies, more men are attracted to “bigger” women then the media would have you think.

The key is modesty with femininity. 🙂
 
http://www.modestapparelusa.com/jumper_brnfloraltwill.jpg

There is nothing dignified, pretty or feminine about this hideous potato sack. In fact, I would argue that clothing like this is promoting a type of asexuality - as though there is something to be ashamed of that needs to be completely covered. As another poster commented - a western style burka.

Why can’t a woman who wants to dress modestly buy clothes like this:
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blessedtoo said:
http://www.modestapparelusa.com/jumper_brnfloraltwill.jpg

There is nothing dignified, pretty or feminine about this hideous potato sack. In fact, I would argue that clothing like this is promoting a type of asexuality - as though there is something to be ashamed of that needs to be completely covered. As another poster commented - a western style burka.

Why can’t a woman who wants to dress modestly buy clothes like this:
http://www.shabbyapple.com/images/PRODUCT/medium/15.jpg
http://www.shabbyapple.com/images/PRODUCT/medium/68.jpg
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Thank you!
I agree that jumpers lead to asexuality. There is nothing dirty about the female form. I just watched the movie Carrie and I am sad to say that her mom made me think of this thread.
 
blessedtoo said:
There is nothing dignified, pretty or feminine about this hideous potato sack. In fact, I would argue that clothing like this is promoting a type of asexuality - as though there is something to be ashamed of that needs to be completely covered. As another poster commented - a western style burka.
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Just for the record, I never said a burqa was hideous or that they were not feminine. I wouldn’t say that the habits the sisters used to have to wear were hideous or not feminine, although they did look like a hassle to wear and extremely impractical to work in. There is also no necessary relationship between “pretty” and “dignified”. It is true that in our culture we don’t have to wear potato sacks, it is true that “becoming” and “modest” are not mutually exclusive, but it is also entirely likely that Our Lady’s attire was far more like a burqa than anything we wear. In some societies, that kind of coverage is what it takes to be dressed decently.

In most ages, the modest woman wore clothes that in no way highlighted her sexuality. In some cultures, though, a modest woman could accomplish that while wearing next to nothing. In our culture, modest dress comes somewhere between. I would say, though, that an outfit that tempts complete strangers to whistle at you might be a bit more “feminine” than what is prudent.

As for the ladies in the cult described, if the allegations about the cult are true, they were not given much in the way of dignity, regardless of how they were required to or allowed to dress.

There are some ugly dresses out there. Some of them are jumpers. Modesty sometimes may require covering up a lot, but it need not be aesthetically offensive.
 
Dirty pillows?!

I went to a conservative Catholic college. Some of my female friends wore jumpers. I didn’t think they were anything to be upset about. They aren’t particularly ‘fashionable’ but they aren’t hideous either. Fairly neutral I guess. Which is what some people are comfortable with.

^ What’s with the bat cowl on the black dress?! :hmmm:
 
jdmayer said:
Dirty pillows?!

I went to a conservative Catholic college. Some of my female friends wore jumpers. I didn’t think they were anything to be upset about. They aren’t particularly ‘fashionable’ but they aren’t hideous either. Fairly neutral I guess. Which is what some people are comfortable with.

^ What’s with the bat cowl on the black dress?! :hmmm:
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I know! I was trying to figure that out.
And is Carrie’s mother a fundamentalist or a Catholic? The pics of Mary and saints through me because the mom presented herself as a door-to-door fundamentalist. So CONFUSED!
 
PatienceAndLove said:
Thank you!
I agree that jumpers lead to asexuality. There is nothing dirty about the female form. I just watched the movie Carrie and I am sad to say that her mom made me think of this thread.
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OK, jumpers can be dumpy, but for crying out loud…asexual?

But maybe you’re right. There isn’t a man on the planet, transvestites included, who would be caught dead in one, save a comedian making a parody of dumpy dressing women. Those guys might wear a really bad jumper in a yechy fabric. But even the transvestites wouldn’t wear wear a jumper, not even on Halloween. (Of course, “jumper” and “sequins” aren’t really natural companions.)

But then, transvestites wouldn’t wear most of the stuff in a maternity catalog, either. I vote for

"Caution! This is womens’ wear, but is highly likely to be dumpy.
It may help you to stay out of Literal Hell,
but no guarantees will be made concerning Fashion Hell.
(Fat is not the worst fashion faux pas.)"
 
PatienceAndLove said:
I know! I was trying to figure that out.
And is Carrie’s mother a fundamentalist or a Catholic? The pics of Mary and saints through me because the mom presented herself as a door-to-door fundamentalist. So CONFUSED!
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It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it, but I don’t think the movie is specific… she’s basically an extreme caricature of a weirdo Christian. Certainly memorable though!
 
EasterJoy said:
(Fat is not the worst fashion faux pas.)"
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No, visable panty line is! 😛 At least, according to one fashion manual I read…lol.

But making yourself look fat if you aren’t…what’s the point? I didn’t lose over 50lbs to still look fat. 😉
 
Dirty pillows?!
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Wow! Major flashback! I can’t watch the movie Carried because Piper Laurie as the mom reminds me too much of my own mom back in the day.😦
^ What’s with the bat cowl on the black dress?! :hmmm:
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It’s the collar, stylishly turned up.
 
jdmayer said:
Dirty pillows?!

I went to a conservative Catholic college. Some of my female friends wore jumpers. I didn’t think they were anything to be upset about. They aren’t particularly ‘fashionable’ but they aren’t hideous either. Fairly neutral I guess. Which is what some people are comfortable with.

^ What’s with the bat cowl on the black dress?! :hmmm:
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That black dress reminds me of the dresses June Cleaver wore on “Leave it To Beaver”, with the turned up collar. Actually, I think the dresses of those bygone years were quite pretty. When I watch old movies I often think how attractive the styles were, feminine and modest. But I could do without the high heels when running the sweeper:D

I
 
skatepixie said:
No, visable panty line is! 😛 At least, according to one fashion manual I read…lol.

But making yourself look fat if you aren’t…what’s the point? I didn’t lose over 50lbs to still look fat. 😉
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As long as we don’t put some poor guy on the spot over whether a particular outfit makes us look fat or whether he thinks some other woman* is modestly dressed or not. Unless you are one of the few women who can take an honest answer on that front from your boyfriend/fiance/husband/brother/dad, it is like shoving a man into a game of verbal Russian roulette in which he is the only one ever forced to pull the trigger.

There is more than one kind of trial we should try to spare our brothers in Christ! 😃

*(his own daughters being the exception)
 
Lepanto said:
My questions are, does modesty (I’m not talking about cost or any other factor) neccessitate the wearing of Jumpers? Does being modest mean dressing in unstylish Jumpers? (There are no such things as stylish Jumpers, IMHO. I know – it’s just my opinion but take it for what it’s worth.)
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Back to the original question: I’m not one of them, but there are women who feel like they’re dressing like either a boy or a man if their outfit doesn’t have a skirt to it. When it comes to working clothes that are functional and yet womanly, then, jumpers are an option.

I’ve found it tough to find one for my body type that doesn’t look dumpy, childish, or both, so jumpers are a poor option for me. There are women in my parish who have some jumpers in their wardrobes that are quite becoming, though. I think that with the right body type and with the right fabric and cut, jumpers can be nice. You won’t bowl anybody over, but many times that is not the object, anyway.

Modesty does not imply that you must wear fashions that make you look like you don’t own a mirror, though. Jumpers certainly are not necessary!
 
blessedtoo said:
Wow! Major flashback! I can’t watch the movie Carrie because Piper Laurie as the mom reminds me too much of my own mom back in the day.😦
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I’m just glad it came out after I had graduated from high school, or nobody would have taken me to the Prom! 😛
 
tcraig said:
Because as Catholics we should always strive for beauty - it’s an inherent part of our faith.

Take a meal, as an example. One can either present it nicely with a beautiful table setting, or just plop it on a dish. Same food, but it can serve to nourish the senses as well as the body.

Also, the way people care for/present themselves says a lot about how they are in other areas of their life. If I see a poorly groomed woman with frumpy shapeless clothes and hair that looks as if she’s just woken up, then I would think twice about wanting to trust her with anything of importance - I would be worried that she would take the same “care” of my business as she does of herself.

It has nothing to do with size. I’ve seen very overweight women dressed nicely in clothing that has some shape and flatters them, and I’ve seen thin women in horrible shapeless denim jumpers worn with sneakers and socks.
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No. I don’t buy it. Someone can be very modest and not at all “frumpy.” Do nuns look frumpy when they wear full habits? And, someone can look sloppy and poorly groomed in skin-tight low-rise jeans with bra straps hanging out of their halter tops.

Wearing a clean, tidy, ironed jumper with a nice blouse or shirt underneath and having your hair put up neatly is not frumpy.
 
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