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My situation is that in my History class we are going to enter the section concerning Women’s Rights (we just finished the Civil Rights bit), and I am pretty sure that Birth Control & Abortion will come up 😦 The teacher has already mentioned them in passing. Anyways I’d just like help, and maybe some resources to help counter some possible claims, including what they base these claims on, and what the founding fathers thought (originalist interpretation).

One possible argument that comes to mind is that “[Access to] Birth Control is a right”. How would one argue against that?

Thanks,

Catholig
 
blessedtoo said:
I am going to recommend one of **THE BEST **books I have ever read to refute the erroneous claims made by the early radical feminists that launched the “movement” that has led to our cultural decline. I strongly urge you to get it, read it, and use it in your class.
amazon.com/Women-Who-Make-World-Worse/dp/1595230092/ref=cm_cr-mr-title/002-4342166-0872050
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What? so you would rather we didn’t have the vote? that women were still treated like property? that we were second class citizens?
 
Wammy101 said:
What? so you would rather we didn’t have the vote? that women were still treated like property? that we were second class citizens?
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I don’t think anyone’s sayng feminism is all bad or is alone responsible for a perceived cultural decline (I’d dispute that term even)

But abortion and contraception, regardless of whether or not you believe that an embryo or fetus has rights of its own, are dangerous and evil. We are literally throwing our future in the dumpster by not reproducing, we’re destroying our future workers, taxpayers, leaders …
 
Catholig said:
One possible argument that comes to mind is that “[Access to] Birth Control is a right”. How would one argue against that?
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**Is it a “right”? Like the right to vote? I think women have the access to birth control, like they would have access to any other medical prescription. However, it is the woman’s conscience that would have be used to whether she would use it or not. It seems to me that these types choices (birth control, condom usage) are used to prevent the outcome of instant gratification.

It is more of a moral issue, and probably not discussed in passing in your history course. Was there a big moral debate during your Civil War portion of the course? If not, there probably will not be one for this part either. Check out the resources listed above. Good Luck.

I think the OP was refering to women’s rights as pertaining to birth control and abortion, not whether women have the right to vote, equal pay, equal rights, etc.**
 
you might make the point while you are still discussing slavery and civil rights for African Americans, that slaveowners successfully defended the practice for over 200 years on the grounds of their personal rights to property and to privacy in how they acquired, treated and disposed of their slaves. This will set the state for the opposition of competing “rights” and the proper understanding of the constitutional provisions and their meanings, beginning with the right to life, which is the foundation of all other rights guaranteed by the constitution, and the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments which eliminate the consideration of human beings as chattel and grant due process.
 
I suggest you read up on Phyllis Schlafly, the woman who defeated ERA. It’s quite instructive as to WHY she worked so hard to defeat something touted as the “equal rights ammendment” for women-- since she IS a woman. Seriously, I would not go into a discussion on women’s rights without being heavily armed with Phyllis Schlafly information.

I highly recommend her book Feminist Fantasies. And, you can read her column and get info from her website at www.eagleforum.org.

Feminists for Life is a good resource regarding feminisim and how it’s been hijacked by the pro-abortion lobby, as is www.omsoul.com for info on contraception, abortion, etc.

Also, Randy Alcorn’s book “Pro Life Answers to Pro Choice Arguments” is excellent.
 
Catholig said:
Hey,

My situation is that in my History class we are going to enter the section concerning Women’s Rights (we just finished the Civil Rights bit), and I am pretty sure that Birth Control & Abortion will come up 😦 The teacher has already mentioned them in passing. Anyways I’d just like help, and maybe some resources to help counter some possible claims, including what they base these claims on, and what the founding fathers thought (originalist interpretation).

One possible argument that comes to mind is that “[Access to] Birth Control is a right”. How would one argue against that?

Thanks,

Catholig
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These articles by Dr. Janet Smith would be a good resource:

aodonline.org/SHMS/Faculty+5819/Janet+Smith+9260/Dr.+Janet+Smith±+Published+Articles.htm
 
Fight fire with fire. Give them all the statistics you can find that opposes their viewpoint. For example, find out how much divorce rate has increased due to the contraceptive morality. Tell them about the rates of child abuse skyrocketting, one of the promised things that the abortion movement said would end with abortion. Tell them how infanticide has increased since abortion. Tell them how teen pregnancy has INCREASED since contraception was offered to minors. Tell them that overall lack of morality has become widespread as a result of “womens rights”👍
 
you might also prepare for this segement by your own independent research on early British and Americna feminists (19th c and earlier) and you will discover how many were against abortion, because it was part of the legal climate of the day that gave fathers propery rights over wives and children, and how the early feminist activism against such laws decried the “children as property” philosophy which is now the legal underpinning to “pro-choice” laws and legal decisions. The only thing that has changed, which would horrify these early feminists, is that now mothers, not fathers, are declared to hold those property rights.
 
litllulu said:
Fight fire with fire. Give them all the statistics you can find that opposes their viewpoint. For example, find out how much divorce rate has increased due to the contraceptive morality.
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One More Soul has a great graph of this.
 
litllulu said:
Fight fire with fire. Give them all the statistics you can find that opposes their viewpoint. For example, find out how much divorce rate has increased due to the contraceptive morality. Tell them about the rates of child abuse skyrocketting, one of the promised things that the abortion movement said would end with abortion. Tell them how infanticide has increased since abortion. Tell them how teen pregnancy has INCREASED since contraception was offered to minors. Tell them that overall lack of morality has become widespread as a result of “womens rights”👍
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Good point; just be careful when you start heading for the statistics that you don’t say that one thing causes the other. There is most definitely a correlation between contraception and the other items noted; there are other factors at play also.

For example, if you show the increase in divorce rates along with contraception, know that the change to no-fault divorce also had a serious impact on divorce rates (if for no other reason than that divorces were now much cheaper as one no longer had to put on a trial showing fault, thus making them more widely available).
 
One possible argument that comes to mind is that “[Access to] Birth Control is a right”.
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Whatever one thinks of the current ‘de jure’ (based on law) situation, access to birth control is a ‘de facto’ (based on fact – the fact that use is general in the population) right and not one that is just going to go away by fulminating about it.

The real nature of the ‘right’ to birth control may become very apparent in a political struggle to end its availability. My guess is that a very strong legal ‘right’ would soon be established by legislators wanting more than a short political career.
 
I actually read something quite profound, that Id’ been trying to figure how to word a while back. It was even writen by a Protestant. Heh.

A minister was talking about how she was being responsible by taking care of the environment, and preaching in her church about recyling and solar energy and the like. She said we also have to be responsible when it comes to having children, so she would only have two, to ensure the world wasn’t overpopulated.

Later, she saw on the news about a sucide bomber in Palestine that was a 64 year old mother of 12.

She realised something: she wouldn’t be leaving the nice, clean, pro-recyling world to her two children, she’d be leaving it to the bomber’s 12.

Its simple numbers. A religious professior once told me teh terrorists don’t have to worry about flying planes into buildigns to cull us, they just have to wait a generation or two to outnumber us. That’s how they’re going to win.
 
vera_dicere said:
I actually read something quite profound, that Id’ been trying to figure how to word a while back. It was even writen by a Protestant. Heh.

A minister was talking about how she was being responsible by taking care of the environment, and preaching in her church about recyling and solar energy and the like. She said we also have to be responsible when it comes to having children, so she would only have two, to ensure the world wasn’t overpopulated.

Later, she saw on the news about a sucide bomber in Palestine that was a 64 year old mother of 12.

She realised something: she wouldn’t be leaving the nice, clean, pro-recyling world to her two children, she’d be leaving it to the bomber’s 12.

Its simple numbers. A religious professior once told me teh terrorists don’t have to worry about flying planes into buildigns to cull us, they just have to wait a generation or two to outnumber us. That’s how they’re going to win.
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Your point is interesting, especially since several of the European countries with below replacement birth rates are now moving to give tax and other incentives to people who will have bigger families.

Seems that they may have done some basic demographics or census work. Not for no reason that it is being called Eurabia.
 
otjm said:
Seems that they may have done some basic demographics or census work. Not for no reason that it is being called Eurabia.
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The UK (population c. 60 million) has 1.6 million Muslims, in the past 3 years half a million Eastern Europeans (largely Poles) have moved there. Eurabia is a term used by people who haven’t done some basic demographics or census work.
 
Yes, these are excellent points :tiphat: You should also remind them who the majority of abortion patients are, the minorities pariticularly African Americans. Demonstrate that although AA are only less than 10% (not totally sure, look it up though) of the total population, they account for more than 80% of abortions. Also mention that abortion and “family planning” clinics are almost exclusive to poor cities with high volumes of minorites. Do a bit of research on Margaret Sanger. She is the patron saint of PP. She was heavily into Eugenics. She believed that we should stop the poor and the minorities (including Italians at the time:mad: ) from reproducing. The word “eugenics” means “good birth”. She believed in Nazi-ism. Look her up. This is indisputable evidence of the culture of death.
Also, there is an excelent book about the Slavery Abortion link. Just google it or look on Amazon.com for it. This is great too. It shows the comonalities betweent the two atrocities that both got the Supreme Court’s vote. Check it out. This is the way to win the liberals. Just look at history and the effects of the evil people!
 
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