Words in bible changed?

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Hi i’m new here i just want to say Hi to everybody. I just have a quick question.I have a friend who is in El Shaddai and i told her that there’s a purgatory she said that she doesn’t believe in that. I told her that you can see that in the bible not the word itself but some words pertaining to prugatory. She quickly snap that Oh catholics changed a lot of words in the bible…I really cant say anything because i kinda lack the knowledge about this matter…will somebody explain what this means? Thanks… i felt embarrassed because i’m not attending formations anymore that’s why i can’t answer her. Thanks…😃
 
sarahtolosa said:
Hi i’m new here i just want to say Hi to everybody. I just have a quick question.I have a friend who is in El Shaddai and i told her that there’s a purgatory she said that she doesn’t believe in that. I told her that you can see that in the bible not the word itself but some words pertaining to prugatory. She quickly snap that Oh catholics changed a lot of words in the bible…I really cant say anything because i kinda lack the knowledge about this matter…will somebody explain what this means? Thanks… i felt embarrassed because i’m not attending formations anymore that’s why i can’t answer her. Thanks…😃
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I would begin by asking her for an example. Since the Catholic Church is responsible for us even having a Christian Bible today, her claims are falacious. (I would like to see her examples, though! 😃 )

Nay, the Protestants changed the Bible. Martin Luther added the word “alone” to Romans 3:28 his version of the Bible. He remov
ed the deuterocanonicals (as did most other Protestants) and even wanted certain books of the New Testament, such as James, removed.

The Deuterocanonicals were in the Alexandrian Canon of the Old Testament, which was the only set canon during the time of Christ. The Palestinian canon of the O.T., which Protestants use, wasn’t set until long after Christ died.

As for purgatory, does your friend not realize that God often appeared to the faith as a non-comsuming fire? Scott Hahn, in his book “Rome Sweet Home,” does an excellent job of explaining this to his wife. (Clickable thumbnail below … starts at the bottom of thumbnail no. 1, goes through no. 2, all the way to the top of no. 3.)

i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff218/CatholicOne/Apologetics/th_DSC02387.jpg i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff218/CatholicOne/Apologetics/th_DSC02388.jpg i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff218/CatholicOne/Apologetics/th_DSC02389.jpg

There is another great explanation of purgatory at davidmacd.com/catholic/purgatory.htm

I hope this helps!
 
P.S.

You should also point out 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. In the words of St. Paul, we will all stand before God and our works will be “revealed with fire.” Good deed are like gold, silver, and precious stones. Bad ones are like wood and straw. The bad will be burned up, revealing who we really are …
 
sarahtolosa said:
Hi i’m new here i just want to say Hi to everybody. I just have a quick question.I have a friend who is in El Shaddai and i told her that there’s a purgatory she said that she doesn’t believe in that. I told her that you can see that in the bible not the word itself but some words pertaining to prugatory. She quickly snap that Oh catholics changed a lot of words in the bible…I really cant say anything because i kinda lack the knowledge about this matter…will somebody explain what this means? Thanks… i felt embarrassed because i’m not attending formations anymore that’s why i can’t answer her. Thanks…😃
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I don’t understand. El Shaddai is a Catholic group and they MUST believe and accept all the teachings of the Church.
 
If she doesn’t believe in purgatory, that’s one thing, but “Catholics changed the words” isn’t any kind of repsonse at all. Don’t believe the Trinity? “Catholics changed the words!” Don’t believe Our Lord existed in the first place? “Catholics changed the words!” See? There is no logical stopping place where this can go.

I am Catholic for many reasons, but one of them is because everything else is reactionary and usually has to concoct some conspiracy theory to float at all.
 
Hi Sarah there are a few things to consider with your question.

some in false religions accuse the church of removing something like “reincarnation”, or whatever from the Bible. In this case, the burden of proof lays on them to prove that the Bible did indeed teach reincarnation or whatever in the first place. Bottom line, NO such text exists which was removed.

The second thing to consider is Textual Criticism, basically a manuscript was copied by hand, and copies would be sent to other cities, where more copies were made and sent out to yet other cities. Bottom line here, copists make mistakes. So, by comparing the 24,000 New Testament manuscripts we can safely remove the copist boo boos.

The third area is translation. Basically, translation is interpretation. Most good translators take tradition in account. The King James Bible was translated in 1611, and frankly the English language changes over time. So, the King James Bible itself has gone through several revisions. Also, there are translations like the New World Translation reflects the theological bias of their cult. I understand that the Catholic Church “controls” translations by giving or withholding their stamp of approval.

The final area is simply misprints. One edition of the King James Bible was known as the “wicked bible” because it left out the word “Not” in a commandment, which read, “thou Shault Commit Adultery”.
google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=wicked+bible+thou+shalt+commit+adultery&spell=1
 
GatorMommy said:
I would begin by asking her for an example. Since the Catholic Church is responsible for us even having a Christian Bible today, her claims are falacious. (I would like to see her examples, though! 😃 )

Nay, the Protestants changed the Bible. Martin Luther added the word “alone” to Romans 3:28 his version of the Bible. He remov
ed the deuterocanonicals (as did most other Protestants) and even wanted certain books of the New Testament, such as James, removed.

The Deuterocanonicals were in the Alexandrian Canon of the Old Testament, which was the only set canon during the time of Christ. The Palestinian canon of the O.T., which Protestants use, wasn’t set until long after Christ died.

As for purgatory, does your friend not realize that God often appeared to the faith as a non-comsuming fire? Scott Hahn, in his book “Rome Sweet Home,” does an excellent job of explaining this to his wife. (Clickable thumbnail below … starts at the bottom of thumbnail no. 1, goes through no. 2, all the way to the top of no. 3.)

i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff218/CatholicOne/Apologetics/th_DSC02387.jpg i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff218/CatholicOne/Apologetics/th_DSC02388.jpg i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff218/CatholicOne/Apologetics/th_DSC02389.jpg

There is another great explanation of purgatory at davidmacd.com/catholic/purgatory.htm

I hope this helps!

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Thanks for the time esp the thumbnails you put.
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Scottgun said:
If she doesn’t believe in purgatory, that’s one thing, but “Catholics changed the words” isn’t any kind of repsonse at all. Don’t believe the Trinity? “Catholics changed the words!” Don’t believe Our Lord existed in the first place? “Catholics changed the words!” See? There is no logical stopping place where this can go.

I am Catholic for many reasons, but one of them is because everything else is reactionary and usually has to concoct some conspiracy theory to float at all.
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Daniel_Marsh said:
Hi Sarah there are a few things to consider with your question.

some in false religions accuse the church of removing something like “reincarnation”, or whatever from the Bible. In this case, the burden of proof lays on them to prove that the Bible did indeed teach reincarnation or whatever in the first place. Bottom line, NO such text exists which was removed.

The second thing to consider is Textual Criticism, basically a manuscript was copied by hand, and copies would be sent to other cities, where more copies were made and sent out to yet other cities. Bottom line here, copists make mistakes. So, by comparing the 24,000 New Testament manuscripts we can safely remove the copist boo boos.

The third area is translation. Basically, translation is interpretation. Most good translators take tradition in account. The King James Bible was translated in 1611, and frankly the English language changes over time. So, the King James Bible itself has gone through several revisions. Also, there are translations like the New World Translation reflects the theological bias of their cult. I understand that the Catholic Church “controls” translations by giving or withholding their stamp of approval.

The final area is simply misprints. One edition of the King James Bible was known as the “wicked bible” because it left out the word “Not” in a commandment, which read, “thou Shault Commit Adultery”.
google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=wicked+bible+thou+shalt+commit+adultery&spell=1
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Thanks so much for the answer. That helped a lot.
 
sarahtolosa said:
Thanks for the time esp the thumbnails you put.
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No problem! The thumbnails are a bit fuzzy, but I think you can read them. Scott Hahn’s books is EXCELLENT and I encourage you to get a copy. Amazon.com has copies for as little as $4.05. Hahn was a fervantly anti-Catholic Presbyterian preacher who ended up converting to Catholicism. “Rome Sweet Home” talks about his path to conversion and explains the tenets of the church in easy-to-understand language. His website is nice and if he ever speaks in your area, GO.
 
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