Words of Consecretation

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Is it improper for a Priest to change the word “it” to the word “this” as follows:

Instead of:

“Take this, all of you, and eat it. This is my Body, which will be given up for you.”

He says:
Take this, all of you, and eat this. This is my Body, which will be given up for you."

Assuming that this is an improper change, my understanding is that the consecration would still be valid. I would appreciate your thoughts.
 
tigers1007 said:
Is it improper for a Priest to change the word “it” to the word “this” as follows:

Instead of:

“Take this, all of you, and eat it. This is my Body, which will be given up for you.”

He says:
Take this, all of you, and eat this. This is my Body, which will be given up for you."

Assuming that this is an improper change, my understanding is that the consecration would still be valid. I would appreciate your thoughts.
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In the Roman Rite the words needed for validity are in bold.

“Take this, all of you, and eat it. This is my Body, which will be given up for you.”

Changing any other words is illicit but does not invalidate the Consecration.
 
I have a question,

If the congregation says the words of consecration with the priest, does this make the Mass invalid? :confused: And will it just be a communion service?

In the same parish I belong to the priest usually asks the congregation to join in with the Eucharistic prayer, I know this is ellicit. And also with taking Christ’s Body and Blood the priest offers the Chalice also for the faithfull to Intict the Host.
I never to this when I attend my homeparish, I just bow to the Chalice.

Because of these Liturgical abuses I now attend Mass in another parish. I wanted to have peace during Mass and not to feel irritated all the time about the Liturgical abuses. Before I attended Mass in my homeparish to show solidarity with the other Parisheners and to try to offer up these frustration as a form of penance. But I couldn’t have peace with this anymore, now I pray for the Priests and others in my homeparish. I believe I have the freedom as a Catholic to do this. It’s not like I’m leaving the Catholic Church. Our Roman Catholic Church is one so it doesnt matter if I attend Mass in Afrika, Asia or The Netherlands. The Church is one.

I would appreciate an answer to my question in the first paragraff of my post.
So I have an answer also if someone calls me to tell my reason for attending Mass in another, more Orthodox, Parish.

Shalom!
 
gavri said:
I have a question,

If the congregation says the words of consecration with the priest, does this make the Mass invalid? :confused: And will it just be a communion service?

In the same parish I belong to the priest usually asks the congregation to join in with the Eucharistic prayer, I know this is ellicit. And also with taking Christ’s Body and Blood the priest offers the Chalice also for the faithfull to Intict the Host.
I never to this when I attend my homeparish, I just bow to the Chalice.

Because of these Liturgical abuses I now attend Mass in another parish. I wanted to have peace during Mass and not to feel irritated all the time about the Liturgical abuses. Before I attended Mass in my homeparish to show solidarity with the other Parisheners and to try to offer up these frustration as a form of penance. But I couldn’t have peace with this anymore, now I pray for the Priests and others in my homeparish. I believe I have the freedom as a Catholic to do this. It’s not like I’m leaving the Catholic Church. Our Roman Catholic Church is one so it doesnt matter if I attend Mass in Afrika, Asia or The Netherlands. The Church is one.

I would appreciate an answer to my question in the first paragraff of my post.
So I have an answer also if someone calls me to tell my reason for attending Mass in another, more Orthodox, Parish.

Shalom!
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Yikes. I don’t know WHAT to say. I have class in 15 minutes and that paragraph was so chocked full of abuses I can’t even begin to write on it.

Write/Call/Beg your Bishop to fix that poor parish.
 
This would be illicit but not invalid. Provided the priest does not change the “This is My Body”, or “This is My Blood” as the previous poster noted, the consecration will be valid. The addition of the congregation (may God help the poor people of that parish who most assuredly do not know better) in saying the eucharistic prayer would be illicit then but not invalid.

God bless.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
This would be illicit but not invalid. Provided the priest does not change the “This is My Body”, or “This is My Blood” as the previous poster noted, the consecration will be valid. The addition of the congregation (may God help the poor people of that parish who most assuredly do not know better) in saying the eucharistic prayer would be illicit then but not invalid.

God bless.
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THANKS! 👍
 
This is my body…This…my blood…
To say that these are the necessary words for valid consecration is al wrong. Evidence: The approval of one Eastern rite Eucharistic Prayer as official and valid–said prayer does not have those words in it.
 
Linuse said:
This is my body…This…my blood…
To say that these are the necessary words for valid consecration is al wrong. Evidence: The approval of one Eastern rite Eucharistic Prayer as official and valid–said prayer does not have those words in it.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/synod/documents/rc_synod_doc_20040528_lineamenta-xi-assembly_en.html

When the Eucharist is Validly Celebrated
  1. The sacrament is “the visible sign of a sacred reality and the visible form of an invisible grace.”[111] This definition of the Council of Trent is still valid, since it refers to the elements which constitute the Sacrament of the Eucharist: the minister, those who receive the Sacrament and the perceivable aspects.
As for the matter of the Sacrament, the Eucharist can only be celebrated with bread and wine, with some drops of water to express the union of the holy people with the sacrifice of Christ.[112] The water, however, is not strictly necessary for validity.[113] According to our Catholic faith, the form of the Sacrament is the words of consecration, which are essential and solely necessary.[114] The minister is a validly ordained priest.[115] Only those baptised can validly receive the Eucharist. The tradition of the Latin Church requires recipients to have the use of reason, that is, a certain knowledge of the mystery of faith, and to approach the Sacrament with a right intention and devotion. The person is also required to be in the state of grace. Mortal sin requires sacramental confession before receiving communion.[116]
 
And inspite of your quote, the recent approval of the said Eucharistic Prayer also says another alternative is also valid.
 
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