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considering all that’s taking place in our world today what will the situation be like 20 yrs from now.Will Al Quada be in charge of much of the Arab world?Will all these countries seeking independence become democracies?Will Iran get the Bomb?will communist China become so powerful that she’ll seek to dominate by invading Taiwan,and other smaller nations around her?Will America lose supremacy and become a third world power?Will other countries come to the aid of Palestine and cause a full fledged war in Isreal?Would any country come to the aid of America if her debt crisis can’t be handled by herself?Do any countries feel an obligation to her for all the help she has given them?Clinton bailed out Mexico would they help us in a time of tragedy?We’ve helped Japan become a world economy since its loss in WW2.Does it think it owes us anything?We help China defeat the Japanese does it feels like it owes us?With all this disparity of wealth in the US will this lead to some kind of uprising?
 
considering all that’s taking place in our world today what will the situation be like 20 yrs from now.
I’ll try my predictions.
Will Al Quada be in charge of much of the Arab world?
No, Al Quaida isn’t large enough. The largest ruling group will probably continue to be the Muslim Brotherhood, the closest terrorist group to that would be Hamas.
Will all these countries seeking independence become democracies?
Hard to say. I would say that you would see “hard” democracies. Where there are elections, but the number of parties is severely limited and presidencies last longer than more than a couple of years.
Will Iran get the Bomb?
I don’t think so. A lot of countries are invested in seeing Iran without that type of nuclear energy.
will communist China become so powerful that she’ll seek to dominate by invading Taiwan,and other smaller nations around her?
The ROC isn’t internationally accepted as an independent nation when the PRC has its say. I don’t think that we’ll see an invasion of the ROC by China unless there are revolutions against the PRC. China’s largely isolationalist, it’d be strange to see expansion.
Will America lose supremacy and become a third world power?
Quite possibly, if spending doesn’t change then the US will go bankrupt since the total US debt and unfunded obligations currently outweighs the GDP of the entire planet.

The US will not be a third world country.
Will other countries come to the aid of Palestine and cause a full fledged war in Isreal?
Perhaps, but the EU is trying to do this with soft power. Israel is much stronger than the surrounding nations as we’ve seen with the Six Day War.
Would any country come to the aid of America if her debt crisis can’t be handled by herself?
China’s already doing that.
Do any countries feel an obligation to her for all the help she has given them?
Based on US resentment of much of the world, I wouldn’t use that as a selling point.
Clinton bailed out Mexico would they help us in a time of tragedy?
Perhaps, but does the Mexican government have the cash to waste?
We’ve helped Japan become a world economy since its loss in WW2.
We’ve helped Japan become a world economy since its loss in WW2.

ahem

The Japanese have become one of the most innovative economies since the US dropped two atomic bombs on it.
Does it think it owes us anything?
Sounds like a tonne of favours.
We help China defeat the Japanese does it feels like it owes us?
They’re already buying your debt.
With all this disparity of wealth in the US will this lead to some kind of uprising?
Is the problem disparity, or is it a government willing to spend and promise more money than currently exists?

-Prophesy
 
Prophecy:thanks for the replies.China does buy our debt and therefore she is helping us out.However she naturally makes money on the deal and is it handicapping her in any way?Would she finance us if she thought there was a chance ofo nnot getting it back?Im not sure that anyone would consider this a favor.
 
Prophecy:thanks for the replies.China does buy our debt and therefore she is helping us out.However she naturally makes money on the deal and is it handicapping her in any way?Would she finance us if she thought there was a chance ofo nnot getting it back?Im not sure you could call this a favor.
At the rate of increased spending, the US is playing with fire. Should the US declare bankruptcy, China would lose out on a lot of money.

-Prophesy
 
Judging from the way history has gone, 20 years from now will look nothing at all the way anyone expects.
 
I’ll take a shot.
  1. US influence is reduced to regional, not global due to inevitable cutbacks in budget (broke). China and India vie for resources in that side of the world.
  2. Massive increases in oil costs drive up transportation costs, which greatly lowers US lifestyle standards (not 3rd world, but much fewer luxuries), but also greatly reduces economic motive of offshoring consumer and industrial goods. US economy starts to stabilize after many years of stagflation and the ‘value added’ sector of the US economy finally bottoms out and starts growing again. US Exports tend to be lightweight hi tech stuff, intellectual properties, food and raw resources.
  3. Islam fades as a global issue. Internal resentment to Islamist greatly reduces jihadii resources and recruitment. But legacy of jihad turns turns many muslims to secularism.
  4. Europe has economic and demographic crisis for lack of native language speaking skilled workers (ongoing baby bust). USA population peaks and starts declining. Massive immigration wave from out of Africa to Europe and the West.
  5. Catholic Church in USA and Europe starts growing again after rapid decline in numbers and millions leave for secularism in the previous 20 years. Regrowth spurred by the witness of faith and example of the orthodox catholics (who tend to actually have kids, unlike the secularized catholics). Africa catholicism starts converting previously Islamic Africa, moving towards Middle East. Pope is of African descent.
  6. Another big Israel war in there somewhere. Good chance, IMO, they get nearly wiped out. Will end up with a negotiated settlement for an Israeli autonomous region within greater Palestine. (I admit this is a hard one to predict, but the status quo over there is shakier all the time)
  7. I will never be able to retire unless I become disabled.
  8. Suburbs as we know them will stagnate in value and decline due to extreme transportation costs driving down their value. Preferred housing will be more traditional city density: more apartments, condos, and SF homes will be 5’ apart again, close to train and trolley systems. (I hate the thought too)
 
It really depends on whether this country is run much longer by radicals and a corrupt secular materialist agenda. Hard to know whether it will be or not. One would have thought the failure of communism and other socialist experiments would have persuaded people that’s not a good formula. But, like Dracula, it just refuses to die. Possibly, this recession will convince American voters they made a mistake. If not, this country is in very deep trouble. Eight years of a government-caused de facto depression is going to be very hard to live through, and will ultimately put this country behind the rest of the industrialized world; a world that has begun to learn the lesson better than we have.

Better scenarios are possible, but they ask a lot.
-American birth rates could increase above replacement rate. After going through some “gray years” of being ruled and despoiled by leftists, people might begin rethinking what really is important in life.
-People may eventually realize this country is underpopulated, not overpopulated, and be encouraged to fill it. An America of, say, 600 million? If other things happen well, there would be no nation to match it.
-If welfare statism recedes, this country could definitely recapitalize; something people are trying to do right now, though they are threatened with more government confiscations through taxation, higher healthcare costs, inflation and consequent high interest rates.
-It’s imaginable that Americans might become at least somewhat less consumerist as we reflect on how our having been wastrels has led us to this point.
-It is not impossible that private education will become more affordable, or at least that people will realize it’s the only route to a decent education for most of us. For Catholics, realization that we have a real obligation to help support oncoming generations would help a lot.
-It is even probable that financial institutions will return to lending to those who have a reasonable likelihood of paying it back; something that will strengthen the lenders and encourage thrift in savers and potential borrowers.
-Younger priests and religious, I understand, are much more orthodox than their “spirit of Vatican II” improvisers and relativists. Eventually the latter will die out, leaving the former in charge of the Church. The old, corrupt religious orders will turn into private left-wing foundations, (many already are) with the assets given to them by the faithful in years past, but at least they won’t be running the Church or influencing young Catholics much longer.
-The new, and truly Catholic colleges may well prosper. Those individuals whose resources allow them to donate substantial sums may abandon the corrupted formerly Catholic colleges and universities, and make truly Catholic higher education more affordable. I like to think of U. of Dallas, Franciscan U of Steubenville, Ave Maria surpassing Notre Dame, Holy Cross and Fordham some day, and I think they will. I like to think of smaller institutions like Thomas Aquinas and even Wyoming Catholic College becoming the “jewels” in the crown.
-It’s possible that, with improvements in Catholic education as abovementioned, more of our intelligent and well-educated young people will study and realize the wisdom of the Social Encyclicals, and live by them both in their private lives and as political persons.

As I said, a better scenario asks a lot. It asks that people affirm life and hope instead of death and despair. It asks that people trust Providence more than coercive bureaucrats. It asks that people be less indulgent of themselves and more generous.

We’ll see.
 
I’ll try my predictions.

No, Al Quaida isn’t large enough. The largest ruling group will probably continue to be the Muslim Brotherhood, the closest terrorist group to that would be Hamas.

Hard to say. I would say that you would see “hard” democracies. Where there are elections, but the number of parties is severely limited and presidencies last longer than more than a couple of years.

I don’t think so. A lot of countries are invested in seeing Iran without that type of nuclear energy.

The ROC isn’t internationally accepted as an independent nation when the PRC has its say. I don’t think that we’ll see an invasion of the ROC by China unless there are revolutions against the PRC. China’s largely isolationalist, it’d be strange to see expansion.

Quite possibly, if spending doesn’t change then the US will go bankrupt since the total US debt and unfunded obligations currently outweighs the GDP of the entire planet.

The US will not be a third world country.

Perhaps, but the EU is trying to do this with soft power. Israel is much stronger than the surrounding nations as we’ve seen with the Six Day War.

China’s already doing that.

Based on US resentment of much of the world, I wouldn’t use that as a selling point.

Perhaps, but does the Mexican government have the cash to waste?

We’ve helped Japan become a world economy since its loss in WW2.

ahem

The Japanese have become one of the most innovative economies since the US dropped two atomic bombs on it.

Sounds like a tonne of favours.

They’re already buying your debt.

Is the problem disparity, or is it a government willing to spend and promise more money than currently exists?

-Prophesy
Isn’t Al quida,muslim brotherhood,and Hamas all Arab terriorist groups?If we were to pull out you don’t see Iraq,or Egypt,Libyia,Afgan,becoming terriorist nations?do you think Obama wants on a parity with all other nations or do you think he still wants us first?Do you think Japan would be what it is today if we hadn’t guided and rebuilt their country after WW2?I know that America was always looking out for herself when she helped other nations But she did do a big favor for them also.I know you agree that even though maybe we shouldn/t have invaded Iraq in the long run they should be better off.Sadamm would still be killing and over time would have killed more than we did.
 
I’ll take a shot.
  1. US influence is reduced to regional, not global due to inevitable cutbacks in budget (broke). China and India vie for resources in that side of the world.
  2. Massive increases in oil costs drive up transportation costs, which greatly lowers US lifestyle standards (not 3rd world, but much fewer luxuries), but also greatly reduces economic motive of offshoring consumer and industrial goods. US economy starts to stabilize after many years of stagflation and the ‘value added’ sector of the US economy finally bottoms out and starts growing again. US Exports tend to be lightweight hi tech stuff, intellectual properties, food and raw resources.
  3. Islam fades as a global issue. Internal resentment to Islamist greatly reduces jihadii resources and recruitment. But legacy of jihad turns turns many muslims to secularism.
  4. Europe has economic and demographic crisis for lack of native language speaking skilled workers (ongoing baby bust). USA population peaks and starts declining. Massive immigration wave from out of Africa to Europe and the West.
  5. Catholic Church in USA and Europe starts growing again after rapid decline in numbers and millions leave for secularism in the previous 20 years. Regrowth spurred by the witness of faith and example of the orthodox catholics (who tend to actually have kids, unlike the secularized catholics). Africa catholicism starts converting previously Islamic Africa, moving towards Middle East. Pope is of African descent.
  6. Another big Israel war in there somewhere. Good chance, IMO, they get nearly wiped out. Will end up with a negotiated settlement for an Israeli autonomous region within greater Palestine. (I admit this is a hard one to predict, but the status quo over there is shakier all the time)
  7. I will never be able to retire unless I become disabled.
  8. Suburbs as we know them will stagnate in value and decline due to extreme transportation costs driving down their value. Preferred housing will be more traditional city density: more apartments, condos, and SF homes will be 5’ apart again, close to train and trolley systems. (I hate the thought too)
So you believe islam and Christianity can live side by side in peace?we know Islam"s not going to go away in 20yrs.with over a billion muslims.But you believe eventually Islam will lose more and more members.Is the recruitment of islamic extremists really going down?Are you sure?
 
I see a big influx of porn and prostitution in the Muslim nations, courtesy of Western influences. These Muslim nations will undergo a sexual revolution not unlike that in the west.
 
I see a big influx of porn and prostitution in the Muslim nations, courtesy of Western influences. These Muslim nations will undergo a sexual revolution not unlike that in the west.
yes.So this will lead to more secularisation and breakdown of the muslim religion.
 
yes.So this will lead to more secularisation and breakdown of the muslim religion.
Yes, this is basically what I predict, but I fell strongly that the Muslim religion will survive, just as Catholicism and Judaism is surviving. Some day, hopefully soon, religion will again flourish!
 
I see a big influx of porn and prostitution in the Muslim nations, courtesy of Western influences. These Muslim nations will undergo a sexual revolution not unlike that in the west.
Personally, I disagree with this assesment/prediction. Muslim countries will basically imprison/kill you if you engage in sexual behavior thoughts that go against Islam. Chritianity does not call for death in the case of sexual “openness.”:rolleyes:👍
 
Will America lose supremacy and become a third world power?
I will comment on this question. It seems incredibly unlikely that the US would ever become a “third world” power. When England, France, and Spain lost their supremacy, they did not become “third world” nations. Even Russia, despite all of its substantial problems, is NOT a third world power. As one of the largest nations on earth, we have too many resources at our disposal to ever fall that far.
 
Personally, I disagree with this assesment/prediction. Muslim countries will basically imprison/kill you if you engage in sexual behavior thoughts that go against Islam. Chritianity does not call for death in the case of sexual “openness.”:rolleyes:👍
Things were much different in the West during the Victorian era, and people back then would surely have said that things could not change. But they did, and we now are experiencing a sexual revolution! I feel strongly that if a sexual revolution proceeded the Victorian era here in the West, a sexual revolution can indeed happen in the Muslim nations.
 
Will Al Quada be in charge of much of the Arab world?
I doubt it. Some people may support various parts of their cause, but it is difficult for real terrorist groups such as them to gain foothold in the mainstream.
Will all these countries seeking independence become democracies?
Technically no countries are democracies. I think that many Muslim countries will work toward a more representative government, though they won’t look exactly what is seen in Western countries.
Will Iran get the Bomb?
Yes.
will communist China become so powerful that she’ll seek to dominate by invading Taiwan,and other smaller nations around her?
China will definitely continue to become more powerful economically and politically on the world’s stage. China has a historic tendency toward isolationism, but has had to become more open for resource reasons. With regard to invasion, the Chinese view Taiwan as part of China, so it is plausible an invasion could occur. I doubt it would extend to any area that China has has no historic claim on.
Will America lose supremacy and become a third world power?
The U.S. is already losing its supremacy. The only way I see that being reversed is to suddenly balance the budget and paying down debt. Otherwise, the dollar is no longer going to be the world’s reserve currency, and economic consequences follow that. We won’t become a third world power simply because of the amount of natural resources relative to other countries, and the size of the military.
Will other countries come to the aid of Palestine and cause a full fledged war in Isreal?
Beats me…that conflict is a mess, and don’t have a clue how it will turn out.
Would any country come to the aid of America if her debt crisis can’t be handled by herself?
It already can’t be handled. Other countries have aided, but the crisis is so big that the Fed has to print money…that never turns out good in the end.,
We’ve helped Japan become a world economy since its loss in WW2.Does it think it owes us anything?We help China defeat the Japanese does it feels like it owes us?
You can’t blame China and Japan…they’ve been major players in buying our debt. It’s now time to focus on the real problem…the U.S. creating excessive debt in the first place.
With all this disparity of wealth in the US will this lead to some kind of uprising?
The growing disparity in wealth is due to several factors. One is that people that have excess capital in a time of economic crisis are the ones investing and making money…not necessarily just the “wealthy,” but anyone with excess capital. The second is the artificially low interest rates in the U.S. The wealthy can, and have, taken advantage of that. I don’t blame them though; they’re just taking advantage of government policy.

Could an uprising occur? Sure. The problem is, though, that a modern country without a wealth class is always worse off than a modern country without a wealth class.
 
Isn’t Al quida,muslim brotherhood,and Hamas all Arab terriorist groups?
Al Quaeda is a terrorist group, Hamas is a terrorist group, the Muslim Brotherhood is a political party.
If we were to pull out you don’t see Iraq,or Egypt,Libyia,Afgan,becoming terriorist nations?
I disagree with pulling out of Afghanistan (it’s not only Americans there), we’re still training their police force which is still having difficulty with corruption.

Iraq I’m not versed on because Canada never intervened (thank God for that).

Libya has had terrorist attacks internationally in the past, orchestrated by Gaddhafi. If we were to leave tomorrow, you’d probably see a few reprisals in the future.

Egypt isn’t a threat to North America, especially following the unseating of Mubarak. The only country at risk of conflict with Egypt is Israel.
do you think Obama wants on a parity with all other nations or do you think he still wants us first?
He’ll be wanting parity once China gives up on your debt. Obama’s very friendly with the EU for an American president, so it wouldn’t surprise me for him to take on some of their ideologies.
Do you think Japan would be what it is today if we hadn’t guided and rebuilt their country after WW2?
Yes.
I know that America was always looking out for herself when she helped other nations But she did do a big favor for them also.I know you agree that even though maybe we shouldn/t have invaded Iraq in the long run they should be better off.Sadamm would still be killing and over time would have killed more than we did.
Depends on if you count the killing the US did to install Hussein.

-Prophesy
 
I see a big influx of porn and prostitution in the Muslim nations, courtesy of Western influences. These Muslim nations will undergo a sexual revolution not unlike that in the west.
Does anybody really think there isn’t already a lot of porn and prostitution in the Muslim nations? There certainly is. And it wasn’t because of Western influences.
 
So you believe islam and Christianity can live side by side in peace?we know Islam"s not going to go away in 20yrs.with over a billion muslims.But you believe eventually Islam will lose more and more members.Is the recruitment of islamic extremists really going down?Are you sure?
Of course I’m not sure. This is a silly excercise in future telling. But I AM sure that muslims and christians can live in proximity in peace. It happens all over the place. Don’t look now, but there’s a muslim guy working in a cubicle two floors directly below me. I never yet have worried about him blowing up the building. :rolleyes:

Islam as a religion and worldview has some serious flaws and enshrinement of sin as virtue in it. But muslims are human like you and I and retain their ‘good, but fallen’ nature created in the image and likeness of God. As with humans everywhere, the good is significant!

Yes, I do think jihadi Islam is rapidly losing its appeal in the muslim world. How can they help but learn to see it as exploitive (the LEADERS live in luxury while the peon followers are expected to strap on suicide vests) over the next 20 years? Islam has not historically been this way, you realize. The Al-Qaida approach is a perversion of Islam (not that the real thing isn’t seriously flawed too, mind you).
 
Things were much different in the West during the Victorian era, and people back then would surely have said that things could not change. But they did, and we now are experiencing a sexual revolution! I feel strongly that if a sexual revolution proceeded the Victorian era here in the West, a sexual revolution can indeed happen in the Muslim nations.
Even in the Victorian era, there was no stoning to death for adultery. There was no burying alive twelve-year old girls who were raped. There was no forcible covering up of all parts of a woman’s body----even the eyes----for “modesty’s” sake. Sexual repression in the Victorian Era—while real and lamentable----was nowhere near the level of repression (more like theocratic dictatorship) that you find in Muslims’ countries.
Another difference is that the anti-female Quran passages are still followed to the letter after thousands of years; Christians and Jews no longer follow some of the harsh sentences you find in Deuteronomy and Numbers for sexual transgressions.
Please.
Get real. :rolleyes:😦
 
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