World Unity,..unity of humankind: good or bad?

[cmforte]

This post is from another thread that I thought is such a divergent and important subject that it deserved its own thread:

Some non-Catholic christians believe that the Antichrist will exploit a united humanity, a one-world society or global society, causing that one-world society to become the Whore of Babylon. Some wackos out there assert the RCC is the Whore and will be the false one-world religion along side that one-world government. While some religions (like The Bahai, I believe, correct me if I’m wrong), think that a united earth would be a positive thing. And we see the earth uniting already through the advent of global entities like the WTO, the World Court, The International Criminal Court, the Kyoto Accords, the IMF, the UN, the EU, the African Union, and many others.

There are many people who are called Globalists: those that desire the unity of humankind, a globally-integrated economy and government (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics) seeing it as a positive thing. There are think tanks like The Trilateral Commission,trilateral.org/ , The Council on Foreign Relations, cfr.org/ , and The Club of Rome, clubofrome.org/ , that supports a more globally-integrated society. This is not a “conspiracy theory,” they actually exist and even have web sites (just listed above)! Even the Bilderberg meetings actually happen (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group). The difference is they say they*** only advise ***people and governments on the subject of international co-operation and relations, and that ***they are not secretive ***and **see globalism as a positive thing for everyone, rich and poor alike. **

Is a united humanity a good thing? A bad thing, since many christians believe that the Antichrist will exploit it for his own agenda? Or is it, like most, an amoral issue, event or entity that can be used for either evil or good? What do you or your faith tradition say about this? And come to think of it, that is the one part of Catholic end time belief I am hazy on: Does the RCC desire a unity of humankind, a one-world society and government? Why or why not?/ (And I mean in light of your faith tradition’s or religions teachings).**

-Chris

 

[GEddie]

It seems to me that “one united world” would be a very good thing; however, if God thought so, the Tower of Babel incident would not have happened. It was there that the division of human life began.

As things stand, it is amoral. Either good or evil can result from it.

ICXC NIKA

 

[cmforte]

It seems to me that “one united world” would be a very good thing; however, if God thought so, the Tower of Babel incident would not have happened. It was there that the division of human life began.

As things stand, it is amoral. Either good or evil can result from it.

My thoughts exactly.

-Chris

 

[wisdomseeker]

First I must understand this unity. what is that? is there any history of humans ever being united? how did it go? how is one to evangelize Christ when it is done, people get enraged? how is this unity going to happen? the only unity i have seen so far is unity coming against God.

 

[Bezant]

The answer depends on whether the unity is around something good or something bad.

 

[cmforte]

wisdomseeker:

First I must understand this unity. what is that?

A one-world government and economy.

is there any history of humans ever being united?

Only at the beginning.

how did it go?

Not good.

how is one to evangelize Christ when it is done, people get enraged?

Hopefully there would still be freedom of religion, but that is just a hope.

how is this unity going to happen?

It is already starting, see the second paragraph in my op.

the only unity i have seen so far is unity coming against God.

Exactly.

-Chris

 

[ibneahmad]

some religions , think that a united earth would be a positive thing. And we see the earth uniting already through the advent of global entities like the WTO, the World Court, The International Criminal Court, the Kyoto Accords, the IMF, the UN, the EU, the African Union, and many others.

-Chris

A united earth on truth is that Islam/Quran/Muhammad favour; and it is very good and peaceful.

 

[cmforte]

A united earth on truth is that Islam/Quran/Muhammad favour; and it is very good and peaceful.

But what is that united earth wasn’t Islamic?

-Chris

 

[jam070406]

A united earth on truth is that Islam/Quran/Muhammad favour; and it is very good and peaceful.

The earth united in Truth would not be Islamic.

 

[Bluegoat]

It depends. True unity would mean both preserving the integrate of the local as well as recognizing our universal humanity and shared issues. There are many things that need to be approached on a global and local level to really be realized.

As for whether we should approve of movements to world government or whatever - I think it is a case by case thing. If it looks like a particular organization or endevor will be a good and effective thing, ok. If not, not ok. But hysteria over one world government is just silly.

 

[jam070406]

But hysteria over one world government is just silly.

I don’t like how you worded this. One world government is certainly a concern and there are elites striving for a New World Order. I am opposed to it. But I reject calling it “hysteria”. It’s rather insulting.

 

[Bluegoat]

I don’t like how you worded this. One world government is certainly a concern and there are elites striving for a New World Order. I am opposed to it. But I reject calling it “hysteria”. It’s rather insulting.

Do you feel that you fall into the category of being hysterical? If so, then why be offended? If not, why worry?

 

[ibneahmad]

The earth united in Truth would not be Islamic.

How do you claim this? Please elaborate further.

 

[GEddie]

I am not in principle opposed to a OWG, although, because some interpretations of Scripture require such to bring in the Anti-Christ, such movements should at very least be very closely watched.

It’s not happening though; nationalism and national aspirations are stronger than ever.

ICXC NIKA

 

[cmforte]

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Re: World Unity,…unity of humankind: good or bad?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jam070406
The earth united in Truth would not be Islamic.

How do you claim this? Please elaborate further.

jam070406 is a christian as you are a muslim. Must we need to “elaborate” more?

-Chris

 

[Sufjon]

This post is from another thread that I thought is such a divergent and important subject that it deserved its own thread:

Some non-Catholic christians believe that the Antichrist will exploit a united humanity, a one-world society or global society, causing that one-world society to become the Whore of Babylon. Some wackos out there assert the RCC is the Whore and will be the false one-world religion along side that one-world government. While some religions (like The Bahai, I believe, correct me if I’m wrong), think that a united earth would be a positive thing. And we see the earth uniting already through the advent of global entities like the WTO, the World Court, The International Criminal Court, the Kyoto Accords, the IMF, the UN, the EU, the African Union, and many others.

There are many people who are called Globalists: those that desire the unity of humankind, a globally-integrated economy and government (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics) seeing it as a positive thing. There are think tanks like The Trilateral Commission,trilateral.org/ , The Council on Foreign Relations, cfr.org/ , and The Club of Rome, clubofrome.org/ , that supports a more globally-integrated society. This is not a “conspiracy theory,” they actually exist and even have web sites (just listed above)! Even the Bilderberg meetings actually happen (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group). The difference is they say they*** only advise ***people and governments on the subject of international co-operation and relations, and that ***they are not secretive ***and see globalism as a positive thing for everyone, rich and poor alike.

Is a united humanity a good thing? A bad thing, since many christians believe that the Antichrist will exploit it for his own agenda? Or is it, like most, an amoral issue, event or entity that can be used for either evil or good? What do you or your faith tradition say about this? And come to think of it, that is the one part of Catholic end time belief I am hazy on: Does the RCC desire a unity of humankind, a one-world society and government? Why or why not?/** (And I mean in light of your faith tradition’s or religions teachings).

-Chris

I don’t think a one global governmental system is a bad idea, but I don’t think it really matters. If you look at political systems these days, it’s pretty clear that corporations rule the world. It is so expensive to get elected these days that by the time you get into office, you are beholden to too many interests to make independent decisions. Couple that with lobbyists and the like, step back and look at the whole picture, I think it’s pretty clear who runs things. And this is problematic, because oftentimes corporations have all the same characteristics of a psychopath: Glibness/superficial charm, Grandiose sense of self-worth, Conning/manipulative, Lack of remorse or guilt, Shallow affect, Callous/lack of empathy, Parasitic lifestyle, Poor behavioral controls, Irresponsibility
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions. There are some exceptions though. The bottom line is shareholder value at any cost, and this is what determines who gets in office and what decisions they make. This is the reality of our situation, regardless of what our ideology might be. The real engine behind modern society has no ideology based on anything more than earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization.

Soooooo, we won;t be seeing a one world government any time soon. Not a real one at least. It’s the last thing we should worry about happening, because it’s the last thing we’ll see.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[GaryTaylor]

Made me think of one of Thomas Mertons famous quote’s:

“If you want to study the social and political history of modern nations, study hell.”

Or what was it Plato said about Democracy? Don’t get me started.

Peace

 

[Contarini]

I don’t think that a centralized, powerful world government would be a good thing at all. I also don’t think it’s at all likely. I think that the U.N., while certainly corrupt and inefficient, is a good institution in principle and should be supported. And I think that the Catholic Church (while also arguably corrupt and inefficient) is a much better institution with a very important role to play in promoting the unity of human beings!

Edwin

 

[Lokabrenna]

I think humans are way too different to achieve unity in some areas (one world religion, for instance) and I think our diversity is what makes us strong.

I think having one currency would simplify trade, but then everyone’s going to argue over what to call it! How about one currency for each continent? Oh, but then, perhaps some countries will still want to keep theirs…

Besides, complete and total unity would be boring, IMHO. In the Pagan community, the only thing anyone can seem to agree on is that we all disagree, and it’s both a strength and a weakness of ours.

 

[JHow]

… If you look at political systems these days, it’s pretty clear that corporations rule the world. It is so expensive to get elected these days that by the time you get into office, you are beholden to too many interests to make independent decisions. Couple that with lobbyists and the like, step back and look at the whole picture, I think it’s pretty clear who runs things. And this is problematic, because oftentimes corporations have all the same characteristics of a psychopath: Glibness/superficial charm, Grandiose sense of self-worth, Conning/manipulative, Lack of remorse or guilt, Shallow affect, Callous/lack of empathy, Parasitic lifestyle, Poor behavioral controls, Irresponsibility
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions. There are some exceptions though. The bottom line is shareholder value at any cost, and this is what determines who gets in office and what decisions they make. This is the reality of our situation, regardless of what our ideology might be. The real engine behind modern society has no ideology based on anything more than earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization.
…

Corporations don’t rule the world - but they are sometimes more agile, flexible, smarter, and have longer attention-spans than governments and politicians, which is why their interests get attention. You have only to look around and count the dead and dying corporations to see exactly how precarious the situation is for businesses. The wrong business decision here, the wrong legislation or tax there (to say nothing of state-owned businesses) - and poof ! - a firm goes under. The chief reason corporations dabble in politics is because politicians can make decisions that can dramatically affect their business. The lists of dead firms are long. Ever heard of Kaiser Steel? It was part of the famous “military-industrial complex”. It was supposedly the model for the steel firm in “Atlas Shrugged”. Kaiser made ships in world war 2 and some (apparently, it was before my time) pretty low-quality automobiles. It’s name lives on in its worker’s healthcare plan, now called Kaiser Permanente, but the orginal firm is long, long gone. Heck, even the mighty GM would have gone into receivership, had it not become government-owned.