World Youth Day: Catholicism or Corruption?

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hasikelee said:
To the OP: where were you during WYD Canada?
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I cant remember the exact area I stayed in, I stayed in Toronto somewhere with my diocese. It was a fantastic event in many respects. The problems at WYD I believe are not unique to the event by any means, but rather reflective of the problems in the Church at large.
 
ericcantona71 said:
I cant remember the exact area I stayed in, I stayed in Toronto somewhere with my diocese. It was a fantastic event in many respects. The problems at WYD I believe are not unique to the event by any means, but rather reflective of the problems in the Church at large.
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Which problems?
 
I am turned off by WYD - thanks to the local school system in the Toronto area. We have similar worship style with masses and other Catholic events oriented to youth. The result? About two dozen students out of a class of 300 attend mass regularly. My friends associate mass with world peace, social justice and corny hymns.

I hated WYD in Toronto because it was an excuse for the local youth leaders to turn up the heat on all this youth oriented ****.

I do not apologize for my strong feelings, my friends and I were denied access to our great Catholic tradition, and instead were introduced to Protestant hymns, hoola girls, tambourines, and priests with novelty sized props.

I left highschool an atheist, luckily I was shown that there was more to the Church then singing koombya and doing charity work, luckily I found such novel ideas as sacrifice, piety, prayer, and reverence.

Good old traditional Catholicism did the trick for me, and I have brought at least 3 other friends to at least consider their faith once again through traditional Catholicism. These guys felt exactly the same as me, these youth oritented exercises do NOT reach out to the youth of today. If it reaches out to anyone, its those of us who are sheltered enough to find such an event more fun then the party down the street.

Sure WYD has a huge turn out, but a few dozen students out of each diocese will make for a huge turn out. But that’s all it was. my Catholic friends did not attend WYD despite being only a 20min drive away. They’d rather do something “fun”. There enlies the problem with world youth day, we can find fun anywhere, and many of us are content to find fun in unsavoury places - you can’t compete with pot, booze and girls, they win in the fun department 9/10 times.

My friends were more inclined to get trashed on the weekend instead of singing hymns and hanging out in Churches, those are the guys I can relate to. For us, the trick isn’t to offer “clean fun” we rejected that years ago, instead offer us what our souls are craving, offer us orthodoxy.
 
hasikelee said:
I always use the 😊 to show embarrassment. I was just wondering what 😊 meant. lol sorry I am in a random mood today.
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Apology accepted. Sometimes it’s hard to read other people’s intentions over the internet, I have done it myself.

Btw, I saw your thread on the spirit thing, it sacred the living day lights out me of me the stuff you typed! I will defo keep that in my prayers.

God bless.

Eric
 
SenorSalsa said:
im sorry i must be some freak of nature teenager who actually has an attention span at religous ed classes, so that when my teachers say something, i want reasons.

I go one night a week for an hour, from august to may, and this year the entire theme was Last Things. Heaven, Hell, Judgement. We went into a whole lot of depth, including almost a whole month on Satan. And yet most of my class agreed that it was one of the most interesting years, and most educational, they have had in religious ed.
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WOW! You are so blessed to be in a Youth Group like that! I am so jealous:D My youth group has a leader who knows less than nothing about the Church. She refuses to let me and my sisters help her, even though we know so much more about our faith than she does. She prefers to allow the kids to do what they want. Usually that means girls sitting on boys laps in mini-mini skirts and skits that say it is OK to skip mass on Sundays. After two years of trying to make a difference we gave up and decided to wait until after college. Adults don’t like to listen to teens, no matter if the teen knows more or not. So I will wait until I am officially considered an adult before I try again.

I agree that people want the explanations, but first you need to know something before you need the explanation. First you need to know that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Our Lord, before the teacher/leader can explain why we believe this. The BC introduces the faith, and the CCC explains it.👍

Freshman88,
Did you go to WYD?
I agree about the Teen masses, they are disgusting and revolting. If my family accidentally walks into a teen mass we walk right back out. It is just wrong. Have you read that like 75% of the people asking for the TLM are the youth (meaning 16-29 year old)? We are empty because of this trash that the musicians and some of the priests allow–no push into the mass. I am so sick of hearing the protestant hymns, the wishy-washy sermons, and seeing all the abuses around the altar. I totally agree with you. But as you found out, the Church is greater than a few bad priests and many bad musicians.
Read this article:
Pope Wants Latin
catholicherald.co.uk/articles/a0000277.shtml
Maybe that will give you some hope.
If you did go to WYD, even if your friends did not, weren’t you impressed by the number of conservative priests and nuns? Weren’t you impressed by the number of people? Weren’t you impressed period? I was. I am one of the most conservative 18 year olds that I know, and I was immensely impressed by WYD. I think it would be hard not to be impressed, unless you are a close minded conservative, like my friend was, or really-really liberal.
I am so happy about your return to the faith. Keep it up, keep up the good fight.👍
 
Margarite said:
Have you read that like 75% of the people asking for the TLM are the youth (meaning 16-29 year old)?
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I am curious as to where you found said information. 75% is a very large number, not unlike the claim a few days ago that 70% of men partook of prostitutes some years back.
 
ethelzguy said:
I am curious as to where you found said information. 75% is a very large number, not unlike the claim a few days ago that 70% of men partook of prostitutes some years back.
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I will have to try to find where I read it, but I know that it is true. It may take me a while but I will try to find it for you.
 
OK, so I’m no longer a youth, but I’m not that old and heck I used to be a youth. From what I know of WYD, having read about them for many years now (they started when I was a youth), I would never have gone to one. I would’ve run the other way!

The only way I could see participating is through juventutemusa.org/

As others have stated, if I wanted to go to a rock concert, I can do that pretty much any night I wanted close to home. At least nobody there is putting on any pretensions of piety. WYD should aim higher.
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ethelzguy said:
I am curious as to where you found said information. 75% is a very large number, not unlike the claim a few days ago that 70% of men partook of prostitutes some years back.
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Have you been to a traditional seminary lately? They’re overflowing, they don’t know what to do with all the vocations. A high ranking member of the Institute of Christ the King explained to me how hard it was for him, since he cannot possibly accept all the vocations he receives.

Have you been to an EF parish lately? It’s a mix of elderly grandparents, young families and young men and women. Oddly enough there is a generation gap…
 
Margarite said:
I will have to try to find where I read it, but I know that it is true. It may take me a while but I will try to find it for you.
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This is really odd. On one hand, we have traditionalists ranting about how poorly our youth are being catechised, yet 75% of the people asking for the TLM are youth?

Something doens’t add up.

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OK, I guess I can’t find any specific numbers, and I was wrong about the age, it is teens-30 year olds.

Anyways, Type in Latin Mass Young into google, and you get all sorts of articles about it. Basically, the youth haven’t ever been to a TLM, they don’t know what it is they are curious. They think it is kind of cool to be going to mass in another language. And the smells and bells get to them.
Sorry for misspeaking earlier.😊 I just must have come to that conclusion without realizing that I hadn’t read it.😊 Sorry:blush:
 
Margarite said:
Maybe that will give you some hope.
If you did go to WYD, even if your friends did not, weren’t you impressed by the number of conservative priests and nuns? Weren’t you impressed by the number of people? Weren’t you impressed period? I was. I am one of the most conservative 18 year olds that I know, and I was immensely impressed by WYD. I think it would be hard not to be impressed, unless you are a close minded conservative, like my friend was, or really-really liberal.
I am so happy about your return to the faith. Keep it up, keep up the good fight.👍
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I didn’t go Margarite, that was darker chapter in my life, and to think, I was only 14.

But that was my point, I didn’t go because of all the pre-WYD events in the area - they gave me a glimpse into the kind of worship that was to take place and I wasn’t the kind of teenager who would get enjoyment from such an event.

I agree it is impressive to see so many youth, what annoys me though is that “youthanize” the mass, and except us to all like the same kind of music and activities.

I am going to the Eucharist congress in Quebec, I hope I will have the grace to see beyond any kind of funny business, which is quite popular in that province.
 
Look into going to the next WYD that is more on our side of the world. You would be shocked by how much trad stuff there is.

I want to go to Australia this summer, but I am starting college on August 4th, and there just aren’t the funds for me to do both. But if the next one is on our half of the globe, and in the West, I will go for sure. (I am a green eyed blond with two blue eyed blond sisters who would go with me, we wouldn’t go to the East, it just isn’t safe.🤷:))

If I am able to go to the next one, I am going to make a detailed video with all sorts of footage, both of the bad and good that I see, then I am going to make just a bad video, and then just a good video, just to prove my point.

I am sorry your parish took WYD and turned it into a bunch of junk, but that is just something wrong with your parish.
Don’t blame WYD for what your parish did.
 
Margarite said:
I am sorry your parish took WYD and turned it into a bunch of junk, but that is just something wrong with your parish.
Don’t blame WYD for what your parish did.
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It was diocese wide. In Ontario we have the public Catholic school system, they ran the programs through out the hundreds of schools so there was no escaping it!
 
saint_rafael said:
That is pure heresy.

Every line from the Baltimore Catechism comes from a council, Pope, saint, and doctor of the Church. The Baltimore Catechism teaches the infallible doctrine of the Church. How can the doctrines of the Church be outdated? They are infallible and eternal. Truth does not change.

The Current Catechism is good but it is in paragraph form that is in depth and too wordy for teenagers. It is for those with mature faith and with a deeper understanding.

The Baltimore Catechism is direct Q&A, solid, and very effective. It has the basics of our faith. Most Catholic teeangers don’t even know the basics. I had to teach them the ten commandments, and the creed. The Baltimore Catechism has taught them more about their faith than what they would get in so called Catholic education.
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Interesting side debate here. I like the Baltimore. I find B16’s recent promulgation Compendium to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church (2007) to follow the same basic Q&A format. Much more precise language, perhaps. It’s an overlooked resource, probably only because it’s still new. In the intro. he describes the CCC as being designed for bishops; the Compendium is designed for laymen.

CC
 
The Catechetical discussion is important because I believe Catechetical formation has been in a state of crisis and utter hostility to faith for decades.

You need BA’s, MA’s and other similar education to be a Catechist and most of these courses will kill a person’s faith. You have non-Catholics, heretics, and people with no Catholic faith teaching Catholic education.

You have all these coordinators, facilitators, MA’s running around being smart alecks that ridicule the faith, contradict the faith, and teach nonsense. You have all these workshops that teach more paganism than traditional Catholicism. They are a madhouse.
 
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