BG, something I would like an answer for is;
The manner in which Mass is treated is in accordance with the CWDWS and with the complete approval of the local Bishops. It is completely in-line with the current GIRM. I fail to see what more can be asked of an organization invovled in the Catholic Church. Would you rather have a group who has the traditional Mass with all of your music and is NOT in league with Rome? Would you rather a choir full of non-believers doing your music?
However, you are incorporating certain elements only within Life Night and not during the actual Mass. That, I see, is very problematic. You are only exposing the teens to the modern genre as opposed to what the Church considers Sacred Music. At least, to your credit, you are using Tatum Ergo for benediction.
We do incorporate some into the Mass. Not all the time mind you, but we do. But you likely won’t rest until we shut down the music entirely. Only then will you be content with the situation.
I do not have $300 to spend to be able to access the actual LifeTeen liturgical planning guide. The ones that I have been able to see use little to no genuine Sacred Music. In a previous post, someone cited four hymns as though these were a huge plethora. Four hymns in the grand scheme of things is hardly a pittance.
And even then, you can’t look into our minds and hearts. You can’t see what we’re doing for the youth, you’re in another country so it’s not like you can see or hear our Masses. The planning guides are for planning. Outlines. They are not hard-set rules.
If you were to peruse through the threads regarding LT, you will find that a great many teens who have participated in these have indicated that they want something sacred. They hunger for Tradition, as Onegin noted.
I feed them Tradition on a regular basis, we all do. Tradition is more than just 'Sacred Music", it is one of our Rules of Faiths. You’ve seen my signature? I’m I teach the Faith, my dear. I teach itto newbies and olbies alike, an equal opportunity apologist. Don’t assume I’m not doing my job right when I lay down some instructions.
Oh, and the difference between us that those dudes that were mentioned? We talked to Rome first.
You have yet to produce a document from the CDWDS specfically stating that they are fine with the music. What I have shown you, from no less than the Vatican website, itself, that the opposite is true.
Life Teen complied with the wishes of Rome. As for the document form the CWDWS, I was under the impression that you understood that the dialogue did happen (confirmed via third party sources) and a letter was produced detailing the changes. Although I don’t have access to any documents from the CWDWS, it can be inferred they sent documents to Life Teen regarding the issue.
That is why, perhaps, there is great concern by folks, like the OP, about this movement coming to their parish. I have no real issue with the movement, itself; however, its treatment of the Mass is cause for concern.
The fact that you will not budge AT ALL on this issue, whereas myself and others think that there can be co-existence is a cause for concern IMHO. And that’s why I will likely not visit this thread for a bit. I don’t want to see it get closed as it has some good discussions. But frankly, when you are this extreme about it, I must admit it makes me wonder if you are questioning my authentication and devotion to the Mass and to the ministry myself and others worked so hard for. It makes it seem like I somehow have less reverence than you, that I love God less than you. That my love for the Eucharist (which caused my reversion) is less than you. That as a Traditional Catholic in every respect except music, I feel out of place. That my Faith is not as strong as yours. And somehow, our Mass is less valid. You’ll say something about something about this paragraph, but for the time being that’s how I’m feeling. I’m probably not the only one either, which is why these threads can often get closed.
And every time you and others say “you don’t expose them to Tradition” with the upper case “T”? That’s a slap in the face. RCIA/RCIT, BG. These days I teach it every week, and I personally invite EVERYONE of our youth to come. I approach them ONE BY ONE and tell them about it. First name basis. I tell them about what they will eb learning, and I tell them with the enthusiasm that only a man truly devoted to the teaching of the Faith can be. I challenge them that if they want more, COME GET MORE. I teach Tradition. It’s not musical “tradition”, but the Rule of Faith Tradition. THAT’S the Tradition that matters.
So now I’m going to do the mature thing and step away. Just answer my “yes or no” questions above (would you rather have a group who has the traditional Mass with all of your music and is NOT in league with Rome and would you rather a choir full of non-believers doing your music?). I won’t respond, but your answers should speak for themselves.
I’ll come back and visit this thread in a few days when I clear my head Maybe. I’m also as likely not to visit the Traditional Catholic board again because, despite being a Traditionalist in every since except music I don’t exactly feel great being here.
Until then cheers all, and God bless.
