Worried about Lifeteen coming to our Parish

[roadsend]

A few months ago my Parish tried to make me do LifeTeen or I couldn’t get confirmed. I found a away around it but I did it last year, and It is one of the most messed up “Religion” programs ever. They are quick to say that reading gossip magazines is bad, we spent 2 classes on “Global Warming”, another 2 on War, and not one of these classes had anything really to do with the Catholic church at all.

I know a lot of the kids who are in there, and none of them have any idea that doing drugs is a sin, or that the eucharist is the true body and blood of Christ (When I asked a few of them they said it was “blessed bread”) and they don’t know anything about the saints or what confirmation is.

Don’t even get my started about the LifeTeen mass… At my church it seems like every mass is a life teen mass now. Drums, Guitar, Random songs that have nothing to do with mass, Adding all sorts of words to the songs like the Sanctus, and the Lamb of God. ITs just a mess.

Seen it all but the drums.
But then again, I doubt my parish has a drummer (Deo Gratias).
You have my condolences. If you are lucky there will be a more traditional
Mass close enough that you can drive to when you get your license.

 

[AndrewF1995]

Seen it all but the drums.
But then again, I doubt my parish has a drummer (Deo Gratias).
You have my condolences. If you are lucky there will be a more traditional
Mass close enough that you can drive to when you get your license.

Thanks! But I go to the Tridentine mass on sundays- and do a different religion class now. So i’m already having a better church experience.

 

[bkovacs]

I consider myself a traditional Catholic. Granted I don’t go to a TLM all 7 days of the week, but I fully believe that Mass should be very reverent and try my best to stay active in learning about the faith. Unfortunately our Parish youth are trying to put in a Life teen Mass. I am very against this as our Masses already have drums, guitar, tambourines, and some modern upbeat songs ect… I feel very alone on this issue as I am the only one out of the youth who opposes having one. Everybody thinks Mass should be more fun, and more like a worship service. As one of the youth leaders at the church I do carry some respect and it will come time to where I need to speak up about, most likely at one of our meetings. I need some help, whether it be by links or advice why we should have a Life teen mass in our church. Also I will be speaking to our Priest about this as well.

You should tell your pastor, that if he wants to act like a Pentecostal, there is an Assemblies of God church down the road. If he wants to act like a Roman Catholic, “no lifeteen masses”.

 

[Melchior_1]

You should tell your pastor, that if he wants to act like a Pentecostal, there is an Assemblies of God church down the road. If he wants to act like a Roman Catholic, “no lifeteen masses”.

So you’re telling people affiliated, or condoning, with the Life Teen program to leave the Catholic Church?

 

[JReducation]

You should tell your pastor, that if he wants to act like a Pentecostal, there is an Assemblies of God church down the road. If he wants to act like a Roman Catholic, “no lifeteen masses”.

Don’t you think that you’re going overboard here? Many parishes do have Life Teen and have a special mass for the teens and have great fruits.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Layman]

Dunno why teens should have a special Mass. When I was young they were trying to propagandise ‘The Young People’ and I thought it was corny and somehow, debasing of our elders to do this. Like, if you don’t jazz up The Holy Sacrifice Of The Mass teenagers might become apostates.

The flaw is that being a ‘teenager’ (a word invented by and for marketeers, I think), means being a rebel. A rebel that can be induced to buy packaged rebellion. Chasing after such a contruct with something as conservative as Roman Catholicism is a flawed enterprise.

Establish a beautiful Mass in the most beautiful church in the diocese.
Hire or start a schola.
Let there being a fine booming organ to accompany it.
Let the mass be said by the holiest priest in the diocese.
Let the sermon mention Sin, Hell, Death, Heaven and Hell, as matter-of-fact.

And invite the children to make a choice.

 

[JReducation]

Dunno why teens should have a special Mass. When I was young they were trying to propagandise ‘The Young People’ and I thought it was corny and somehow, debasing of our elders to do this. Like, if you don’t jazz up The Holy Sacrifice Of The Mass teenagers might become apostates.

The flaw is that being a ‘teenager’ (a word invented by and for marketeers, I think), means being a rebel. A rebel that can be induced to buy packaged rebellion. Chasing after such a contruct with something as conservative as Roman Catholicism is a flawed enterprise.

Establish a beautiful Mass in the most beautiful church in the diocese.
Hire or start a schola.
Let there being a fine booming organ to accompany it.
Let the mass be said by the holiest priest in the diocese.
Let the sermon mention Sin, Hell, Death, Heaven and Hell, as matter-of-fact.

And invite the children to make a choice.

Now wait a minute. I didn’t grow up Catholic. I became a Catholic in high school, many many many years ago.

However, I attended Catholic schools all my life, from K - Doctorate. I remember a children’s mass as early as the 1950s. There was always a special mass for the young. There was no schola, no booming organ and I’m not sure what the sermon was about, because I never attended Sunday mass. I only attended the school mass, which was during the week. I don’t remember fire and brimstone at the school masses. I can’t speak about how holy the priest was. I guess he must have been holy, because he was a brother and our brothers were very holy men. That’s why I became Catholic. I was inspired by their holiness, which came through in their charity to the Jewish kids at the school. They welcomed us in their school when the public schools simply ignored us and allowed us to be bullied by the Gentile students.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Young_Thinker]

I had no idea that you were Jewish, Br. J.R. It seems that as I read your comments, I get to learn more about you. You appear to be a very interesting and wise man, so I t hink that it is really a blessing for me to learn more about your opinions and experiences.

 

[JReducation]

I had no idea that you were Jewish, Br. J.R. It seems that as I read your comments, I get to learn more about you. You appear to be a very interesting and wise man, so I t hink that it is really a blessing for me to learn more about your opinions and experiences.

Thank you. I’m humbled by the statement. Going back to the thread, I would encourage everyone to remember that these are kids. They need the guidance and the support of adults. The parish will get what the adults put into the ministry.

In any situation, if you leave teens to do their thing, you’re asking for trouble. If you set the example and you gently prod them along, they do very well and rise to the occasion. Teens are actually wonderful people. They are energetic, eager to learn, curious and they still have that childhood sense of awe about things.

On the other hand, they also get bored easily and have very short attention spans, tending to flitter from one thing to another. They need two things.

1. 
   *]A spirituality that is age appropriate, not infantile and not over their heads
   
   *]A moral language that they can use, because if they can us it correctly, then they understand it
   
   Because of my work with pro-life ministry, I go around to different parishes. A Life Teen group invited me to a baby shower today. They had organized a parish-wide baby shower, because it’s Respect Life month. I found it great to see that the teens had put this together. They were very proud of themselves. They had a room full of baby things and adults attending. They even found a pregnant teen mother whom they are supporting. They outfitted her baby with everything from disposable diapers to a stroller. These same teens also attended the Life Chain last week. They hold a Chastity Day once a year. At the end of it, they voluntarily take the oath to wait until marriage.
   
   What is important here is that the adults are very involved and very orthodox about everything, from liturgy to morals.
   
   For example, today, the teens were not alone. The Core was there. It was impressive to see about 15 people give up their Saturday to help the teens setup the room, serve their guests, entertain and do whatever it takes to pull this off. From where I stand, this is preaching with few words.
   
   The folks in this parish are getting much good out of Life Teen, because they put a lot into it. I mean many adults: many parents, four deacons, three priests and two religious brothers. You watch these kids and you have to say to yourself, “We can do this.”
   
   Fraternally,
   
   Br. JR, OSF

 

[archangel04]

I still don’t understand why teens need to have these type of masses? I mean teens are still leaving the Church in high numbers! I wanted to see if anyone had any statistics on life teen to show that teens stay active in the Church after confirmation. I remember when I was a server for 10 years and could always feel like something was missing. Although everything was there to make the mass valid, what was missing was the knowledge of what the mass truly is from the beginning (before mass starts) to the final blessing. I think if we teach kids and teens what the mass is and continue to teach as they grow older they will understand that everything has its place, especially music. The mass is not a classroom, we are there to give thanks, worship, and offer our prayers to God.

So many priest are afraid (some hate it) to use just a little bit of Latin in the mass, or have certain parts in Gregorian, or even use the organ, but they are so quick to jump the gun on life teen, or the use of other modern loud music. Why? Why so much fear with what the Church used for hundreds of years?

 

[archangel04]

Br JR I am still very surprised that you were/are Jewish, and not a Broher in a Catholic Order! Truly God works (as young people would say) “weird” ways ja ja.

Here is one thing for you Brother, when I was a teen, which was not too long ago, we were annoyed and sometimes hated when adults would “act” our age and dumb down the lectures. We would sometimes ask questions about why are grandmothers would veil themselves, why do old movies show priest using a lot of incense, but we never see that? Or even why can’t we talk about the picture we’ve seen of the angel fighting the devil? These things we always asked, but instead we sung corny songs like “Jesus love is flowing like a river” or place these ornaments on the Christmas tree that represent the family tree of Jesus. Maybe we were just a weird bunch?

 

[JReducation]

Br JR I am still very surprised that you were/are Jewish, and not a Brother in a Catholic Order! Truly God works (as young people would say) “weird” ways ja ja.

I am a brother. I am also Jewish. I’m a convert to Catholicism. I became Catholic in high school, many moons ago, when TV was still decent.

But I have not ceased to be Jewish. Judaism is not just a religion. It’s also a culture and an ethnic identity. Yes, I’m a Franciscan Brother of Life. I’m the local superior in our house.

Here is one thing for you Brother, when I was a teen, which was not too long ago, we were annoyed and sometimes hated when adults would “act” our age and dumb down the lectures. We would sometimes ask questions about why are grandmothers would veil themselves, why do old movies show priest using a lot of incense, but we never see that? Or even why can’t we talk about the picture we’ve seen of the angel fighting the devil? These things we always asked, but instead we sung corny songs like “Jesus love is flowing like a river” or place these ornaments on the Christmas tree that represent the family tree of Jesus. Maybe we were just a weird bunch?

Sounds pretty weird to me.

There are two things that I’m reading in your posts They have validity, but you must proceed with caution. One paragraph for each.

Yes, teens need to understand the mass. Let us remember that the most important thing that they need to understand is that the mass is worship of God. Everything else, music, environment, etc is meant to support that message. Let us be careful not to make the music and the environment the message. If we insist that this must be song in Latin or use Gregorian chant, because we have always done it that way, we’re not teaching the mass. We’re teaching Catholic culture. While Catholic culture is good, it does not stand alone. The culture developed around the faith as a mean of expressing the faith. Sometimes, we want to drag young people to faith through culture. But that’s not how the culture came into existence. We must always begin by teaching them faith, then they will appreciate the culture around that faith.

The second thing that we must remember is that tradition is bigger than liturgy. We have a tradition of liturgy, we also have a tradition of diverse spiritualities in the Church: Benedictine, Franciscan, Carmelite, Salesian, and Augustinian. Those are the more common ones. We have a tradition of rich art and music. We have a tradition of scholarship and science. We have a tradition of customs, private devotions such as the rosary, customs for the Catholic family, etc. We have a strong tradition of corporal works of mercy. We have always led the world in responding to the poor and the most vulnerable members of society. We invented the whole notion of peace and justice. We have a long tradition of sacred scripture, which to which we pay very little attention all too often. We have a tradition of prayer that is very Catholic. There are devotional prayers, Liturgy of the Hours, private recitation of the rosary, and many forms of common prayer.

We have to teach the whole culture of Catholicism. The liturgical tradition without the rest is not a good thing. Liturgy lasts an hour, 90 minutes on a solemnity. How do we teach kids to worship? By engaging them in everything that is Catholic. In the parish were I volunteer, I’m not assigned to a parish . . . the kids do use Latin for certain parts of the mass. They love to sing it. But those kids are also very involved in the life of the parish. They are there three or four days a week. They have Benediction on Thursdays with adoration for an hour or two, I forget. They run the parish pantry. They assist in religious education on Tues and Weds. They have mass and the Life Teen meeting on Sundays. They have retreat twice a year. They go to every Pro-Life rally in the state. They go to funeral masses. They have confession every week. They have our brothers who come in from outside of the parish to be with them. They go to Catholic summer camp. They fly to Washington every year for the March for Life. They invite the bishop to celebrate mass for them. Some of them are great artists and they write music for worship. They run retreats for the middle school kids and the first communion kids.

As you can see, these kids are immersed in the Catholic world. The parish pays a person to coordinate all their activities. As a result, we have had two young men who became brothers and one young woman who became a sister. We have not had any become priests yet, but our diocese pushes the brothers and the sisters more. We have a large number of brothers serving here, about one brother to every two priests. However, I do know one or two priests in the diocese who came from the ranks of Life Teen and a lot of young sisters. We have a congregation of sisters with about 50 sisters under age 35.

But I keep saying the same thing, like a broken record. A parish will get what they invest in it. What I’m hearing from your post is that you want to see this very traditional mass and therefore would not like to see Life Teen. What I’m saying is that if you use well, the program will get you where you want to go. Those parishes that molded their youth are finding that the kids themselves are curious.

Maybe they’ll never sing Gregorian chant. That’s OK. Franciscans banned it for 750 years. We’re still the largest religious family in the Church, if you add up all of the branches of the order. Why do we attract so many young men and women? Because we have always presented a very strong faith. That’s what the young need, a spirituality that is strong and moral language that they can use.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[archangel04]

**I am a brother. I am also Jewish. I’m a convert to Catholicism. I became Catholic in high school, many moons ago, when TV was still decent.**But I have not ceased to be Jewish. Judaism is not just a religion. It’s also a culture and an ethnic identity. Yes, I’m a Franciscan Brother of Life. I’m the local superior in our house.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

Ooopss! The “not” was a typo I know you are a brother ja ja sorry about that.

 

[archangel04]

There are two things that I’m reading in your posts They have validity, but you must proceed with caution. One paragraph for each.

Yes, teens need to understand the mass. Let us remember that the most important thing that they need to understand is that the mass is worship of God. Everything else, music, environment, etc is meant to support that message. Let us be careful not to make the music and the environment the message. If we insist that this must be song in Latin or use Gregorian chant, because we have always done it that way, we’re not teaching the mass. We’re teaching Catholic culture. While Catholic culture is good, it does not stand alone. The culture developed around the faith as a mean of expressing the faith. Sometimes, we want to drag young people to faith through culture. But that’s not how the culture came into existence. We must always begin by teaching them faith, then they will appreciate the culture around that faith.

The second thing that we must remember is that tradition is bigger than liturgy. We have a tradition of liturgy, we also have a tradition of diverse spiritualities in the Church: Benedictine, Franciscan, Carmelite, Salesian, and Augustinian. Those are the more common ones. We have a tradition of rich art and music. We have a tradition of scholarship and science. We have a tradition of customs, private devotions such as the rosary, customs for the Catholic family, etc. We have a strong tradition of corporal works of mercy. We have always led the world in responding to the poor and the most vulnerable members of society. We invented the whole notion of peace and justice. We have a long tradition of sacred scripture, which to which we pay very little attention all too often. We have a tradition of prayer that is very Catholic. There are devotional prayers, Liturgy of the Hours, private recitation of the rosary, and many forms of common prayer.

We have to teach the whole culture of Catholicism. The liturgical tradition without the rest is not a good thing. Liturgy lasts an hour, 90 minutes on a solemnity. How do we teach kids to worship? By engaging them in everything that is Catholic. In the parish were I volunteer, I’m not assigned to a parish . . . the kids do use Latin for certain parts of the mass. They love to sing it. But those kids are also very involved in the life of the parish. They are there three or four days a week. They have Benediction on Thursdays with adoration for an hour or two, I forget. They run the parish pantry. They assist in religious education on Tues and Weds. They have mass and the Life Teen meeting on Sundays. They have retreat twice a year. They go to every Pro-Life rally in the state. They go to funeral masses. They have confession every week. They have our brothers who come in from outside of the parish to be with them. They go to Catholic summer camp. They fly to Washington every year for the March for Life. They invite the bishop to celebrate mass for them. Some of them are great artists and they write music for worship. They run retreats for the middle school kids and the first communion kids.

As you can see, these kids are immersed in the Catholic world. The parish pays a person to coordinate all their activities. As a result, we have had two young men who became brothers and one young woman who became a sister. We have not had any become priests yet, but our diocese pushes the brothers and the sisters more. We have a large number of brothers serving here, about one brother to every two priests. However, I do know one or two priests in the diocese who came from the ranks of Life Teen and a lot of young sisters. We have a congregation of sisters with about 50 sisters under age 35.

But I keep saying the same thing, like a broken record. A parish will get what they invest in it. What I’m hearing from your post is that you want to see this very traditional mass and therefore would not like to see Life Teen. What I’m saying is that if you use well, the program will get you where you want to go. Those parishes that molded their youth are finding that the kids themselves are curious.

Maybe they’ll never sing Gregorian chant. That’s OK. Franciscans banned it for 750 years. We’re still the largest religious family in the Church, if you add up all of the branches of the order. Why do we attract so many young men and women? Because we have always presented a very strong faith. That’s what the young need, a spirituality that is strong and moral language that they can use.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

Very interesting and it makes sence. Although I consider myself traditional, I am not against anything that will bring anyone closed to God and the Church. In my home parish they wanted me to make a youth group for the parish because of all these good compliments I got from teens, but I don’t think it’s possible for me because one I am too busy with school and teacings pre-confirmation. Two I am afraid that my “traditional” way would butt heads with those who would over-see the youth group. You bring up many good points, and I think that’s what my local parish lacks, the fact that no one really wants to put in the time to actually teach and show the Catholic faith.

 

[JReducation]

Very interesting and it makes sence. Although I consider myself traditional, I am not against anything that will bring anyone closed to God and the Church. In my home parish they wanted me to make a youth group for the parish because of all these good compliments I got from teens, but I don’t think it’s possible for me because one I am too busy with school and teacings pre-confirmation. Two I am afraid that my “traditional” way would butt heads with those who would over-see the youth group. You bring up many good points, and I think that’s what my local parish lacks, the fact that no one really wants to put in the time to actually teach and show the Catholic faith.

Ministry to the young is the duty of the whole community. I can’t a believe that I’m quoting Hilary Clinton. "It takes a village. . . " You see, good can be found in the least expected places, not disrespect intended toward Madam Secretary. I’m sure that she has many good qualities. I just had to quote that, because it works here.

To ask one person to take over youth ministry while everyone else goes his or her way is a recipe for disaster. It has nothing to do with you being more traditional. It has to do with the amount of work involved.

I will say this, if one person is 10 degrees to the right of center, then you need another person who is 10 degrees to the left of center. Speaking as a Franciscan, I believe this is what makes the Franciscan family work. Francis founded a family, not an order. By the time he died, the order had several branches, of which he was the Father.

What made it work was the balance. While one group interpreted and applied his rule with greater leniency, another group interpreted it and applied it with greater austerity. Francis was OK with this, because in the end, the image that the two sides presented to the Church was the image that he had in mind. The Church could not say that the Franciscans were liberals, because it was not true. She could not say that they were Traditionalists, because that was not true either.

Francis banned Gregorian chant from the Liturgy of the Hours and from the mass. This ban was upheld until Pius X gave an indult to the order. It was with great hesitation that some houses and provinces used the indult. When Vatican II said, “Go back to your roots” Gregorian chant was dropped again. Only one community uses it on a regular basis. That’s certainly not a Traditionalist founder.

He dropped the monastery. He believed that in order to be free, the brothers had to be out on the streets, not in monasteries. Otherwise, they would need to defend and protect those monasteries. They were not be free to pray and to enjoy each other’s company, not to be confined by rigid schedules and structures. Again, not very Traditionalist.

On the other hand, he also believed that the brothers had to blindly obedient to the pope, the bishops and to him, even after his death. Any brother who refused to obey or any brother who expressed an opinion contrary to that of the Church, the reigning pope or the local bishop was to be excommunicated, no questions asked. That’s pretty austere. To this day, those friars who are a little free with their opinions end up in big trouble.

My point is that the success of this lifestyle and what has made it thrive and take root in the Church for 800 years has been that tension between the two sides. Francis believed that to have only one side was to stifle the message of the Gospel. Spontaneity had to co-exist with discipline and obedience. How’s that for a combo?

I always like to share this example when I hear people talk about starting up a ministry. Don’t gather a group of leaders from the same school of thought. You may topple over to one side. Shoot for a balance and a little challenge. Besides, we must remember that ministry must be dynamic. It has to grow. You can’t do ministry in 2010 as you did in 1800. These are two different worlds. The truths don’t change, but the audience and the methods do.

If it were true that audiences and methods never changed, the Church would not have gotten past the foundation of the first Benedictine houses. There would have been no further need for diverse spiritual families in the Church. Novelty is very much a part of Tradition with a capital T. Ask St. Francis who turned the monastic world on its head. Ask St. Vincent de Paul who turned religious life and the priesthood on its head. Ask St. John Baptist de La Salle who turned religious life on its head. Ask St. Jose Maria Escriva who turned the apostolate of the laity on its head. Ask Mother Teresa who turned the social mission of the Church on its head. Would we be better off without them? I don’t think so.

We should never be afraid of novelty. We should be afraid of error. Novel ways of teaching old truths are not a problem. Novel truths are.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Mig]

I consider myself a traditional Catholic. Granted I don’t go to a TLM all 7 days of the week, but I fully believe that Mass should be very reverent and try my best to stay active in learning about the faith. Unfortunately our Parish youth are trying to put in a Life teen Mass. I am very against this as our Masses already have drums, guitar, tambourines, and some modern upbeat songs ect… I feel very alone on this issue as I am the only one out of the youth who opposes having one. Everybody thinks Mass should be more fun, and more like a worship service. As one of the youth leaders at the church I do carry some respect and it will come time to where I need to speak up about, most likely at one of our meetings. I need some help, whether it be by links or advice why we should have a Life teen mass in our church. Also I will be speaking to our Priest about this as well.

Coming from a background of Protestant feel good services, I implore those who are more concerned about a ‘Christ focus’ to not turn their back on tradition. ‘Christ tradition’ only becomes empty when the heart becomes empty. No amount of ‘new’ will fill it.

 

[SteveVH]

Poor liturgy destroys faith. Good liturgy builds faith. To have a Mass with poor homilies and a little old lady playing the organ and singing off key is

 

[julia07734]

Hi, I have been to a couple Life Teen Masses at a very large and influential Catholic Church here in San Antonio, Holy Trinity, and it was exactly like any other Mass with the exception of the music. Granted. the music they play is more contemporary but the musicians were still very reverent. It was nothing like a rock concert, it was not a performance but true music ministry (and the lyrics inhabited Catholic values/teachings). After the Mass, they have Life Night, where they meet for fellowship and worship. Furthermore, the Pastor of the Church was a Bishop, who became our Apostolic Administrator when our Arch-Bishop was sent to shepherd the Los Angeles Arch-Diocese.

However, I have heard other people say that they are a bit worried about Life Teen. Actually, my DRE at my parish explained that some churches don’t do it right and that they can lose the sight of the purpose - it is not to show the teens a fun time; but to help them celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass in a way that is meaningful for them. At least at Holy Trinity, this has been very successful.

My parish does not have a Life Teen Mass, but we are very active with ACTS retreats and Teen ACTS. There the teens also celebrate Mass with contemporary Music and our youth Mass has become more contemporary as well - but still also very reverent. The point; however, is that the youth involved now loves to come to Church, to serve the Church as well as the community and above all else, they love God in a deeper way than I ever did when I was that age. And all this when they are faced with drinking, drugs, sex, etc, every single day in school, on TV, radio, etc. I think it is amazing that the Church is reaching out to the youth in a way that really speaks to them to help them fight all the temptation they face and enable them to serve as a positive role model for other teens.

Finally, I am a Charismatic Catholic too. I can walk away from a very traditional Mass and/or Adoration service with the same awareness that I am in Communion with God as I do through a Charismatic Mass and/or Adoration service. However, the moments of profoundly deep spiritual growth (life changing moments) have predominately occured at a Charismatic Mass or Adoration Service.

All of this is definately a sign of a Post-Conciliar Church and maybe that is what we, as Americans, need in order to empower more people to engage this culture of determinism and moral depravity. I for one, truly hope so.

Blessings,

Julia

Informational Links:
Official Life Teen Website: lifeteen.com/
Holy Trinity Catholic Church, Life Teen Faith Formation: holytrinitysat.org/index.cfm?load=page&page=162
Article in Today’s Catholic on Teen ACTS: satodayscatholic.com/080307_TeenACTS.aspx
ACTS Mission’s Website: actsmissions.org/
Marianist Order founded by George Montague, SM: brothersofthebeloveddisciple.org/
International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services: iccrs.org/en/index.php/ccr/

 

[buzzox44]

Just try to find another Church in your community that exclusively has the Latin Mass, whether it’s within the Archdiocese through Moto Proprio, or find the closest Society of St.Pius X church. I would also flee a church that brings into it that degree of Charismatic Protestantism. Good Luck and God Bless

 

[Gregory_I]

THey really shouldn’t be apealing to a different way that is “meaningful for them” but show them why the constant and traditional celebration of mass is meaningful, apoart from their hormonal imbalances and fleeting interests.