Worse than abortion

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It’s horrid… evil, so evil.

Miracles happen, these people could live! Arn’t doctors supposed to try everything to HELP?!

I pray this doesn’t come to the US… we live in a time of murder, there’s no doubt in my mind.
 
Murderers! The Dutch rank right up there with the Nazi’s of WWII in their inhumanity. I am afraid that America is not far behind in the top ten most inhumane countries, also.
 
This was brought up in another thread.

Let us pray that the sins of our society do not lead us to perpetrating such disrespect for the dignity of human life on children in America. We already allow abortion. Pray that we correct this ill and reverse the trend before it continues to legally killing ill children.

CARose
 
Hi, Magdalen.

I know what you’re aiming at with the title of this thread (“Worse than abortion”) but it’s simply not true. Murder is murder, and the reason euthanizing babies horrifes us so deeply is that such an act of murder is far more tangible than with abortion - killing a newborn infant brings to mind terribly graphic images that can seem much more horrible than the chemicals and vacuums of abortion techniques. But the reality (killing innocent persons) is the same - equally tragic and terrible.
 
I agree with maendem. What is the difference between murdering an unborn baby and a baby that has already been born?

Peace

Tim
 
Hi, Magdalen.
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I know what you’re aiming at with the title of this thread (“Worse than abortion”) but it’s simply not true. Murder is murder, and the reason euthanizing babies horrifes us so deeply is that such an act of murder is far more tangible than with abortion - killing a newborn infant brings to mind terribly graphic images that can seem much more horrible than the chemicals and vacuums of abortion techniques. But the reality (killing innocent persons) is the same - equally tragic and terrible.
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Correct.
 
I heard an interview with the director of the hospital this morning on the radio. He was saying they are trying to establish guidelines on this to euthanize the infants with extreme cases. The babies with these afflictions, such as, spinabifita (I know I am not spelling this correctly), would be targets.

Don’t get me wrong, I am NOT making a case for them; I am relaying what I heard. These rare cases test our positions on pro-life issues like no other. I pray our (my wife and my) children are never subjected to these extremes so we are never tested in such a way.

On a separate note, we shouldn’t be too surprised about this. The Netherlands has had legalized gay ‘marriage’ for years as well as a national euthanasia law. Euthanizing infants with severe birth defects is another step along the culture of death path they have freely chosen for themselves. To label these poor children as having no free will just reinforces the notion that we (humanity) have placed ourselves before God in violation of the First Commandment.

God help us all. Pray to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Immaculate Heart of Mary for protection and aid.
 
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maendem:
Hi, Magdalen.

I know what you’re aiming at with the title of this thread (“Worse than abortion”) but it’s simply not true. Murder is murder, and the reason euthanizing babies horrifes us so deeply is that such an act of murder is far more tangible than with abortion - killing a newborn infant brings to mind terribly graphic images that can seem much more horrible than the chemicals and vacuums of abortion techniques. But the reality (killing innocent persons) is the same - equally tragic and terrible.
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Euthanizing infants was indeed the next step on the slippery slope BECAUSE abortion is tolerated and euthanasia is legal. Comparing murdering infants to abortion makes it too easy for pro-abortion people to rationalize the murder of infants (and euphemistically calling murder “euthanizing” or “mercy killing”).
 
There is no slippery slope leading from abortion to child euthanasia. It is the logical outcome of support for abortion, as the Princeton professor Peter Singer has argued (at one time he supported infanticide through the first month after birth. I do not know his present position)

There is no substantial difference between the murder of a child before birth and after birth. The only difference is that the unborn child is a little less developed and is less readily visible.
 
the 2nd world war is finally over, and the nazis have won, conquering Europe with their culture of death
 
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Orogeny:
I agree with maendem. What is the difference between murdering an unborn baby and a baby that has already been born?

Peace

Tim
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Well, there is a difference, which is why many people who don’t get wound up over first-trimester abortions get green at the gills when they think of actual born babies being killed.

While the logic may be faulty, I can see why someone doesn’t really empathize with a little blob. It is very alarming to think that some people don’t empathize with full-term live babies.

There are people who will spend thousands of dollars keeping an aging, sick pet alive, while other have no problem throwing a pillowcase full of kittens into a river. I just had a cat put to sleep because she was getting old and puking everywhere and we weren’t about to spend any money on trying to make her well. But, I do have a problem with just drowning kittens. I don’t know why there is a difference to me, but there is.

I’m not saying that kittens and human babies are anything alike, I’m just trying to point out that people can see a graduated continuum and, at some point or another, most of them say “No, now, that’s just not right.” I know perfectly nice people who don’t cry over an early stage abortion, but I don’t think I’d want to have anything to do with them if they had anything to do with euthanizing a baby born with Down’s Syndrome.
 
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katybird:
Well, there is a difference, which is why many people who don’t get wound up over first-trimester abortions get green at the gills when they think of actual born babies being killed.
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I disagree. There is no difference. A first trimester baby is still a baby, just one at an earlier stage of development.
While the logic may be faulty, I can see why someone doesn’t really empathize with a little blob. It is very alarming to think that some people don’t empathize with full-term live babies.
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I agree that there are people who don’t see a first trimester baby as human, but they are wrong. That “little blob” is a human being, separate from it’s mother, created by God.
I know perfectly nice people who don’t cry over an early stage abortion, but I don’t think I’d want to have anything to do with them if they had anything to do with euthanizing a baby born with Down’s Syndrome.
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Why? Is it your position that a first trimester baby is not a baby? If so, when does it become a baby? If not, why is it acceptable to kill a baby earlier rather than later?

Peace

Tim
 
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katybird:
While the logic may be faulty, I can see why someone doesn’t really empathize with a little blob. It is very alarming to think that some people don’t empathize with full-term live babies.
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It’s not a blob. The only reason we get away with thinking that is because we can’t see it. It’s a little, bitty tiny baby that would be recognizable as human, at least by the point a woman has missed her period, found out she was pregnant, and goes in for an abortion. The doctors and nurses see what it is, that it’s not a blob. But they shelter us from all that unpleasantness. That way no one has to feel bad about it, right? Hell of a system we got here, with no shortage of people willing to avert their eyes and just not think about it.
 
Tim and Carol: you do not need to convince ME that a tiny embryo is a human being. I wasn’t expressing MY point of view, but rather the POV of other people.

Let me put it another way: let’s say you had to put your child in some sort of daycare. Would you be extremely alarmed to find out that one of the employees had once had an early-term abortion? I don’t mean would you disaprove, but would you be afraid to let that person be alone with your child? I wouldn’t. However, if I found out that an employee had once smothered a toddler with a pillow, even if it was years ago and they’re sorry now, I wouldn’t want my child anywhere near that person.

You have to explain to people why they shouldn’t kill embryos. You shouldn’t have to explain why it’s wrong to kill a newborn baby.
 
katybird,

Thanks for the reply. I understand what you are saying. My comments were based on what I thought I understood you to be saying, not what you actually were saying.

Peace

Tim
 
Madaglan said:
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20041130/ap_on_re_eu/netherlands_child_euthanasia

Really sickening. I really hope it doesn’t come over to the U.S.

Any ideas on how to prevent such activity from spreading?
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It’s already here.

Oregon legalized assisted-suicide years ago and we’ve been watching the fight to protect Terri Sciavo (sp?) for over a year. About 25 years ago, I met a physician who chose not to go into obstetrics because he saw this being done quietly.
 
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Prometheum_x:
There is no slippery slope leading from abortion to child euthanasia. It is the logical outcome of support for abortion, as the Princeton professor Peter Singer has argued (at one time he supported infanticide through the first month after birth. I do not know his present position)

There is no substantial difference between the murder of a child before birth and after birth. The only difference is that the unborn child is a little less developed and is less readily visible.
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I wonder how far Europe is from post-birth euthanizations on healthy infants.

What’s after that?

Euthanize people on welfare for more than 5 years?

Can’t afford a nursing home so you euthanize your mother?

You realize your four teenagers want to go to Oxford. You can’t afford to send four offspring to Oxford, so you euthanize the youngest for the good of the other three?

What is wrong with the world?
 
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sweetchuck:
I wonder how far Europe is from post-birth euthanizations on healthy infants.

What’s after that?

Euthanize people on welfare for more than 5 years?

Can’t afford a nursing home so you euthanize your mother?

You realize your four teenagers want to go to Oxford. You can’t afford to send four offspring to Oxford, so you euthanize the youngest for the good of the other three?
What is wrong with the world?
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Interesting questions. How expensive must a nursing home be in order to justify euthenasia? How long must a person be on welfare before he becomes an unacceptable burden to society? How do we establish the expense or the inconvenience threshold which will justify the termination a human life?
 
Before seeing this article (but having heard about it), I mentioned it in a discussion I was having with some pro-choice (and generally dissenting) relatives. After I told them that it has just come out now that they’re euthanizeing babies in the Netherlands, their response was “oh no. that’s not true…well… they’re only talking about terminally ill babies.” I sure hope most pro-choice americans are a little more bothered by this than they were!
 
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