Worshipping a bread?

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I’ve been asking myself that if I would become Catholic I would have to worship and eat a bread every Sunday for rest of my life.
How can one belong to religion that worships a small bread? To me it sounds strange and really crazy to kneel in front of a bread. Why do people want this?
 
I’ve been asking myself that if I would become Catholic I would have to worship and eat a bread every Sunday for rest of my life.
How can one belong to religion that worships a small bread? To me it sounds strange and really crazy to kneel in front of a bread. Why do people want this?
Greetings bestpal and welcome,

Catholics do not worship or eat bread or wine, we eat & drink the body and blood of Jesus. The bread and wine are changed into the body and blood during the consecration in the Holy Mass just as Jesus did at the last supper. We want it because he says “Do this…”👍

See:
Jn 6:35-71
Mt 26:26
1 Cor 10:16
1 Cor 11:23-39
Ex 12:8, 46
Jn 4:31-34
Mt 16:5-12

Jesus Himself is found present body, soul, and divinity in the consecrated host…

Peace!!!
 
I’ve been asking myself that if I would become Catholic I would have to worship and eat a bread every Sunday for rest of my life.
How can one belong to religion that worships a small bread? To me it sounds strange and really crazy to kneel in front of a bread. Why do people want this?
GIMBP it gets worse - Jesus, in the Gospel of John, also asks us to eat this “bread” if we seek Jesus’s life within us. If you have such serious problems with this important teaching of Jesus’s Presence “veiled” under the appearance of bread then maybe it isn’t yet time for you to become a Catholic. Noone is forcing you 🤷.
 
I’ve been asking myself that if I would become Catholic I would have to worship and eat a bread every Sunday for rest of my life.
How can one belong to religion that worships a small bread? To me it sounds strange and really crazy to kneel in front of a bread. Why do people want this?
Why? Because that bread is Jesus.

A little story:

This is what Abba Daniel, the Pharanite, said, 'Our Father Abba Arsenius told us of an inhabitant of Scetis, of notable life and of simple faith; through his naïveté he was deceived and said, “The bread which we receive is not really the body of Christ, but a symbol.” Two old men having learnt that he had uttered this saying, knowing that he was outstanding in his way of life, knew that he had not spoken through malice, but through simplicity. So they came to find him and said, “Father, we have heard a proposition contrary to the faith on the part of someone who says that the bread which we receive is not really the body of Christ, but a symbol.” The old man said, “It is I who have said that.” Then the old men exhorted him saying, “Do not hold this position, Father, but hold one in conformity with that which the catholic Church has given us. We believe, for our part, that the bread itself is the body of Christ as in the beginning, God formed man in his image, taking the dust of the earth, without anyone being able to say that it is not the image of God, even though it is not seen to be so; thus it is with the bread of which he said that it is his body; and so we believe that it is really the body of Christ.” The old man said to them, “As long as I have not been persuaded by the thing itself, I shall not be fully convinced.” So they said, “Let us pray God about this mystery throughout the whole of this week and we believe that God will reveal it to us.” The old man received this saying with joy and he prayed in these words, “Lord, you know that it is not through malice that I do not believe and so that I may not err through ignorance, reveal this mystery to me, Lord Jesus Christ.” The old men returned to their cells and they also prayed God, saying, “Lord Jesus Christ, reveal this mystery to the old man, that he may believe and not lose his reward.” God heard both the prayers.

At the end of the week they came to church on Sunday and sat all three on the same mat, the old man in the middle. Then their eyes were opened and when the bread was placed on the holy table, there appeared as it were a little child to these three alone. And when the priest put out his hand to break the bread, behold an angel descended from heaven with a sword and poured the child’s blood into the chalice. When the priest cut the bread into small pieces, the angel also cut the child in pieces. When they drew near to receive the sacred elements the old man alone received a morsel of bloody flesh. Seeing this he was afraid and cried out, “Lord, I believe that this bread is your flesh and this chalice your blood.” Immediately the flesh which he held in his hand became bread, according to the mystery and he took it, giving thanks to God. Then the old men said to him, “God knows human nature and that man cannot eat raw flesh and that is why he has changed his body into bread and his blood into wine, for those who receive it in faith.” Then they gave thanks to God for the old man, because he had allowed him not to lose the reward of his labour. So all three returned with joy to their own cells.’
 
Noone is forcing you 🤷.
There is only one truth so I am forced to become Catholic to go with the truth.
The bread and wine are changed into the body and blood during the consecration in the Holy Mass just as Jesus did at the last supper.
but the bread is still thee, isn’t it? I mean, doesn’t the Body of Jesus taste like bread?
 
but the bread is still thee, isn’t it? I mean, doesn’t the Body of Jesus taste like bread?
Are you familiar with the word ‘transubstantiation’? It means that the substance of the bread and the wine used in the sacrament is changed into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus, while all that is accessible to the senses (the appearances, or species) remains as before.

This explanation is related to Aristotelian metaphysics. Aristotle made a distinction between the essential and accidental properties of a thing. For example, a chair can be made of wood, metal, or plastic, but this is accidental relative to its being a chair. It is still a chair regardless of the material from which it is made. The chair’s ‘chair-ness’ is what makes it a chair instead of a table or an airplane or a house: that essential property is what we call substance. Species, on the other hand, refer to the accidental properties of a thing. Going back to the chair, chairs come in all shapes, colors and sizes: some chairs are made of wood, some of plastic. Some might have three legs, others four. Armrests could be present or absent. But there is no fundamental difference between an orange chair or a blue chair because they both have the same substance: they share the same ‘chair-ness’. Essentially, a thing possesses both a physical reality and a metaphysical reality. A thing is both something that we can physically see, touch, taste and feel (its physical properties) and it is something that exists as a reality beyond the perception of our senses (its metaphysical reality).

Now going to the bread and wine, what happens during the Eucharist is that the substance of the bread and wine is transubstantiated: in other words, when the priest consecrates both, the ‘bread-ness’ and the ‘wine-ness’ of the bread and wine are no longer there. The physical properties (the bread’s shape, taste, molecular structure, etc.) are still there, but metaphysically Jesus is now truly, wholly, entirely, and substantially present in both. The substance of what was heretofore bread and wine has changed: instead of their respective substances (which is necessary or essential for them to actually be ‘bread’ and ‘wine’) - i.e. their ‘bread-ness’ and ‘wine-ness’ - we now have (for lack of a better term) ‘Jesus-ness’ in both.

P.S. Note that there is a difference between transubstantiation and transformation.
 
There is only one truth so I am forced to become Catholic to go with the truth.

but the bread is still thee, isn’t it? I mean, doesn’t the Body of Jesus taste like bread?
No the bread is no longer bread. This is explaned here -
newadvent.org/summa/4075.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm

There are faiths that do believe the bread does stay bread while becoming the body, this is called consubstantiation. Catholics believe in transubstantiation where the bread is no longer bread.

Yes is does taste like bread, or like I told my 4 year old when eating a piecs of toast one day - “taste like Jesus don’t it?” In other words, Do you know what Jesus tastes like? He is God and can make Himself taste like whatever he wants, right?

Peace!!!
 
Dear Patrick457,

After learning about this in RCIA last year I have had a difficult time with understanding this. I have struggled with the concept but thanks to your explanation I GET IT!!!

Thanks again,
Dana
 
I heard Rosalyn Moss say something like, If God could create the whole world out of nothing, of course He could change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ!

For some reason, I’ve always really liked that, and hardly ever get to use it 🙂
 
…but the bread is still thee, isn’t it? I mean, doesn’t the Body of Jesus taste like bread?
Not bread [still there], but the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus…under the appearance of bread and wine. Read the links and other material provided so far…and read John chapter 6 as well as the other Scripture passages referenced for you. When you are reading this, recall the OT and the fact that the Passover meal required the eating of the sacrificial lamb…and the fact that Christ is the Sacrificial Lamb, offered by Himself, the one High Priest.
 
Yes is does taste like bread, or like I told my 4 year old when eating a piecs of toast one day - “taste like Jesus don’t it?” In other words, Do you know what Jesus tastes like? He is God and can make Himself taste like whatever he wants, right?
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I’ve been asking myself that if I would become Catholic I would have to worship and eat a bread every Sunday for rest of my life.
How can one belong to religion that worships a small bread? To me it sounds strange and really crazy to kneel in front of a bread. Why do people want this?
There is only one truth so I am forced to become Catholic to go with the truth.
I believe that you have just answered your opening question.
Because we are following the Truth.

And in that Truth we are not worshiping bread. We are worshiping God. We are not receiving bread - we are receiving God.

In a sense the question you are asking is a little bit like the disciples in John 6 who asked - “How can he give us is body to eat?” They simply could not comprehend how this could be done…
In like manner you are having difficulty in accepting the manner in which God HAS done this.

I look at it this way…If God could be fully present in “flesh and bone” - proteins, fats, carbohydrates, various other minerals and fluids - and if He can be SO fully present in these things that he IS fully God as well as fully human…If He can do this, then he can do the same thing with bread and wine…
I don’t know how - and frankly i’ve never been able to fully comprehend the explanations of transubstantiation - but you know what? I don’t care…😉 All I know is that God has given us this great gift and I would be foolish to reject it.
but the bread is still there, isn’t it? I mean, doesn’t the Body of Jesus taste like bread?
To be completely honest - when I receive the body I don’t “taste” much of anything. And I certainly do not concern myself over it. I am too overjoyed at the moment of receiving God into myself. Same with the wine…Though I admit I do taste the wine component of the blood. But again - I do not concern myself over it. I am too overjoyed at being so privileged as to receive our Lord in this way.

So - bottom line - If you believe - as you say above - that you must become Catholic because it is True…then do not hesitate over this detail. This is nothing more than the devil trying to put a stumbling block in your path.
Since God has shown you that The Church is Truth…then pray to the Father to give you the faith - even without understanding - to accept and to embrace Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist.

I hope this helps a little bit.

Peace
James
 
The feeding of the 5000, Christ that night walks on the water, and the next day on the other side says the unless you eat his body you have no life in you. Says his flesh is true food indeed. This saying was so shocking that many who followed him refused to believe it and fell away. It has always divided true followers from false. Later in the last supper Christ takes bread, blesses it, then says take eat this is my body. Wine blesses it, take eat this is my blood.

Thus when the Church takes bread, blesses it and says, “The Body of Christ” they are merely repeating the words of Christ. And the rejection of those words calling the morsel “the body of Christ” separated the followers of Christ from the non followers in the beginning.

The next question is "But he was only sacrificed once how can he be sacrificed again and again if he was Sacrificed Once For All’ ". The answer is a deeper understanding of temple ritual. When you went to temple, you’d talk with a priest of some sort, who understood the jewish laws regarding what kind of sacrifice was needed for different sins. In the case relative to this the passover sacrifice, You would purchase a lamb, or use your own, you would take this lamb, a priest would kill it, you would then take the lamb place it on the altar where it would be roasted, then it would be removed from the altar and be given to you where you would then eat it with your friends and family, and also the priests in some cases eat of the sacrifice too. One lamb sacrificed once eaten by many.

The upshot being that Christ is our pascal lamb sacrificed once for all, he died once on the cross, and we now his sacrifice is eaten of by many. Each communion we partake of that sacrifice eating of the sacrifice from the altar. One Lord, Once Slain, Eaten Perpetually. An eternal perpetual sacrifice.

The third question is “But its bread! It looks like bread, smells like bread, tastes like bread, etc.” Ponder Christ himself. If you met him in Jerusalem he would have looked like a man, he would have smelled like a man, sweated like a man, when beaten and punctured he bled like a man, and he died like a man. Yet at the same time we as Christians all say “he was God.” The preexisting God somehow becoming incarnate in flesh, in something material. Likewise in communion. God, Christ, somehow becoming present in that which is material. It is the same thing.

The creed says of Christ “consubstantial” with the Father. Substance is the key to understanding.

This is how you can come to see what took me a long time to come to see. And yes there may be some objection to my imprecise phrasing here or there, but fundamentally this is the idea.

Peace.
 
There is only one truth so I am forced to become Catholic to go with the truth.

but the bread is still thee, isn’t it? I mean, doesn’t the Body of Jesus taste like bread?
There is only one truth so I am forced to become Catholic to go with the truth.
This is a step forward then. You must therefore be able to accept truths, by faith, that are unpalatable to reason. This is one of the biggies. Can you do so like all fellow Catholics?

What is the difference between faith and stupidity? - we are called to accept truths that are “unpalatable” not impossible (even God cannot make 1=3).
The bread is still bread?
Very good question. In Latin we would sat it is no longer bread. In modern English I would have to agree word defiition is ambiguous because english concrete nouns tend to describe only what is present to the senses. I can pursue this with you if you wish.
Some English people use such nouns to signify the hidden “substance” of a thing. To them the Eucharist “substance” is Jesus not bread. The bread is no longer bread.
 
I’ve been asking myself that if I would become Catholic I would have to worship and eat a bread every Sunday for rest of my life.
How can one belong to religion that worships a small bread? To me it sounds strange and really crazy to kneel in front of a bread. Why do people want this?
This is a strange question. Why should you become Catholic if you deny the central truths of the faith? No one is making you do so. In truth, they cannot. I really don’t understand what you are getting at.
 
I’ve been asking myself that if I would become Catholic I would have to worship and eat a bread every Sunday for rest of my life.
How can one belong to religion that worships a small bread? To me it sounds strange and really crazy to kneel in front of a bread. Why do people want this?
pretty simple cause that bread is the body , blood , soul and divinity and no longer bread once the priest consecrates it -

its hard for you to think about I know but you need to understand the Eucharist and what it means - I dare you to read this book, its Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist by Brant Pitre - he also has a CD on lighthouse Catholic Media - listen to his CD or read his book and you will never think about the Eucharist the same again.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4577937798663555&pid=15.1&H=160&W=106

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4682485910734019&pid=15.1&H=160&W=159

:bounce:

also lets see what the earliest Christians thought , I mean its not like we made this up - this is what the Church has always believed since the beginning - but lets see what the early church fathers say about it…

here take a look!

staycatholic.com/ecf_the_real_presence.htm <---------------- LOOK
 
Not to hijack, but does anyone else get a sudden feeling of total peace after you say “but only say the word and my soul shall be healed”?
 
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