Worst liturgical abuses?

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Omitting the Creed, which is required on Sundays.
One time when I questioned this after Mass, celebrant said it didn’t invalidate the Mass
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It’s VALID in that a real sacrament occured, but ILLICIT in that there was the abuse.
 
In mine,
  1. The priest never, ever, genuflects at Consecration – and no he’s not old or infirm.
  2. He does the fractioning rite during the Sign of Peace, we say the Agnus while he’s passing the ciborium around to the altar servers and EMHCs like a candy dish for them to help themselves & then he receives at the same time as they do.
 
The worst abuses? Communion in the Hand, Communion standing, EOEMHC. These are, of course, legalized, but abuses nontheless.
 
latinmasslover said:
The worst abuses? Communion in the Hand, Communion standing, EOEMHC. These are, of course, legalized, but abuses nontheless.
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The word “liturgical abuse” involves the disobedience of liturgical rubrics or canon laws. These actions violate neither and cannot be accurately termed “abuses”.
 
Sure said:
The word “liturgical abuse” involves the disobedience of liturgical rubrics or canon laws. These actions violate neither and cannot be accurately termed “abuses”.
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Well… actually reception in the hand where there is no indult is an abuse, as is the use of Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion when there is no need for them.
 
It amazed me when I went to my first EF that the priest just walks along so everyone recieves the Host by just one Priest at a medium sized church. At my local church, we will have 8 EMHC’s giving Out The Body and Blood. Do we really need this many people. I could see if this was the Vatican or St Patricks. Also I remember times where the Homily has gone on long and we have gone right to the Petitions and skipped the Creed. Ususally this involves one of the few priests that serve the local parish. This parish also has a flowing rock holy water font in the so called atrium of our church. Babies are baptized with holy water in a glass bowl! Another thing is how traditional terms for church areas is neglected for the annoying modern “worship space”. I am seriously thinking about whether to put my registration with the Latin Mass community rather then with the local parish. And for the person that said about Parish town hall meetings, I hope you are one of the inside editions or you arent going to get anywhere.
 
TMGallyon85: the very same thing struck me too.

My own Parish here always has 3 x EMHCs - so you have Father and one with the Hosts and two others with the Chalices. And yet I think the a Priest could easily give communion to the same number of people with the same efficiency, and …dare I say it?.. greater decorum.
 
I_Believe said:
I suppose going to a parish council meeting and asking if any of the members share your concerns. That might be a good first step. One that would take courage as well.
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It’s also important to raise awareness among the Faithful. Let’s face it, most Catholics, through absolutely no fault of their own, think it’s perfectly fine to hold hands during the Our Father, or for the priest to come out of the sanctuary to give the sign of peace to the congregation. Of course, the big question is how to accomplish this in a parish run by a liturgical innovator. Maybe putting flyers on windshields could help, but that might cause a bit of discord if done without permission of the pastor. Any ideas?

Also, I have one more story. On my Confirmation Retreat, the theme was “The Masks We Wear.” It wasn’t a bad theme - basically it involved reflecting on all of the things we pretend to be for others’ sake that keep us away from Christ - and one of the activities was to list all of our personal “masks.” All well and good, until retreat Mass. Someone decided that it would be a good idea to omit the Penitential Rite and instead (I am not making this up) BURN our lists. That’s right - in the middle of Mass we cooked up a huge bonfire and everyone got to have fun throwing our papers in (I mean, c’mon, who doesn’t like burning stuff?)

Then, at my actual Confirmation Mass, the Bishop himself changed the words of the Eucharistic prayer. I don’t think he changed enough to invalidate the Mass, but it certainly was noticeable.
 
Sure said:
The word “liturgical abuse” involves the disobedience of liturgical rubrics or canon laws. These actions violate neither and cannot be accurately termed “abuses”.
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I guess I should’ve saved the comment for “Worst acts of irreverence and presumption.”
 
The abuses mentioned here are obnoxious, but there are worse ones than most of those mentioned. Here are some others.

The priest who flushed consecrated hosts left over from the mass down the toilet.

The priest I know who concelebrated mass with a Protestant minister (which appeared on the front page of the "National Catholic Reporter).

The two priests who always recite made-up eucharistic prayers during mass (whether they wrote them themselves, I don’t know).
 
The priest who flushed consecrated hosts left over from the mass down the toilet.
… was, I hope, reported to his bishop.

Canon 1367 A person who throws away the consecrated species or takes or retains them for a sacrilegious purpose incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; moreover, a cleric can be punished with another penalty, not excluding dismissal from the clerical state.
 
The one time I went to a charismatic Mass and people prayed in tongues during the Consecration.
 
I stopped going to my (merged) parish after one Sunday with a gospel choir. It was, and I truly pray, the only time I have ever heard the priest call for “One more time!” during the Great Amen.

Thankfully, I have settled in with a new and more traditional parish now.

Chris
 
drafdog said:
Please read ICor 11:17-34. Note the variations in the words of consecration from what we use today. Note also what Paul regarded as “liturgical abuse.” What I’m seeing here looks like nit-picking.

Matthew
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Of course, St. Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians is also the first recorded instance of liturgical abuse. St. Paul minced no words when he got after the people of Corinth.

In my old parish, one of the priets would leave the sancutary during therecitation of the Pater Noster, stand in the center aisle and reach for the hands on either side of him and say, “let us join our voices, our hearts and our hands as we pray, Our Father…”.

The priest who served as our first diocesan director of Divine Worship would routinely walk up and down the aisle during the Penitential Rite, sing a kiddie song (O God, We are Your People) and occasionaly shove the mike below a kid’s mouth and get him to sing. By the way, it matters not that he had an STD in Liturgy from one of the Roman Pontifical Universities and bragged about concelebrating Mass with Pope John Paul II whenever he was in Rome. It was just bad.

At my parish, the Exultet was paraphrased and proclaimed to the beat of a drum. :eek:
 
The thing I despise the most is all the clutter in the sanctuary: Banners, musical instruments, electrical chords, amplifiers, music stands, chairs, more chairs, artifical trees and plants, microphones, ad nauseum. It looks like someone emptied a moving van and dumped it all in the sanctuary.

Then, with this “band” up on the altar during mass, they’re all walking back and forth, shuffling notes and sheet music…getting ready for their next “act”…like they’re at a concert, in total disregard for what is SUPPOSED to be taking place.

You can barely see the tabernacle or the priest himself for all the DISTRACTIONS.

WHEN will it all END ?

The sanctuary was NEVER intended to be a stage for a performance…but it is now.

The Sunday after New Years, the celebrant came down the aisle carrying BALLOONS which he let go before he entered the sanctuary…you got it…they said “Happy New Year” on them.

I am now “church shopping” and think I have found a traditional church an hour from where I live. Time will tell.
 
  1. Glass vessels
  2. Priest refused to purify the vessels. He told me he would leave the diocese if the bishop told him he had to.
  3. excessive use of EMHCs
  4. changing the words of the Eucharistic prayer
  5. Priest leaving the sanctuary for the Sign of Peace and for the homily.
  6. They had a “religious sister” (of an order not recognized by the Church) give the homily. They were explicitly told to stop by the bishop, so now she gives a ‘reflection’ at the beginning of Mass.
Pax Vobiscum,
Zach
 
mdgspencer said:
The priest I know who concelebrated mass with a Protestant minister (which appeared on the front page of the "National Catholic Reporter).
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So his bishop must have found out (if not, please send him a gift subscription to the National Catholic Reporter). And what did he do about it? If nothing, please give him a copy of the Code of Canon Law.

Canon 908 Catholic priests are forbidden to concelebrate the Eucharist with priests or ministers of Churches or ecclesial communities which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church.

Can you give the exact reference to the National Catholic Reporter?
 
The worst abuse I’ve seen is when the local Bishop used what looked like loaves of Italian bread during Mass and broke it apart and distributed it during communion. This was done during a Confirmation Mass and I understand the parish where this happened did this on a weekly basis. Apparently he knew about it and went along with it during this Mass
 
On 9 August 2008 Father Roy Bourgeois M.M. concelebrated and gave the homily at the simulated ordination of a woman (Janice Sevre-Duszynska) at a Unitarian church, presided by excommunicated Catholic woman “bishop” Dana Reynolds.

Canon 1024. A baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly.

Canon 1379 … a person who simulates the administration of a sacrament is to be punished with a just penalty.

from the 19 December 2007 decree of the Congretation of the Faith: … both the one who attempts to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the woman who attempts to receive a sacred order, incur an excommunication latae sententiae reserved to the Apostolic See.

Canon 932 §1. The eucharistic celebration is to be carried out in a sacred place …
§2. The eucharistic sacrifice must be carried out on a dedicated or blessed altar …

Can. 933 For a just cause and with the express permission of the local ordinary, a priest is permitted to celebrate the Eucharist in the place of worship of some Church or ecclesial community which does not have full communion with the Catholic Church so long as there is no scandal.
 
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