Would Abortion Become Illegal Faster if more Woman were in Government?

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This is a hypothetical question that I was thinking about the other day and was wondering what other people thought.

Often times when a republican man comes out and says abortion should be illegal he gets reported as sexist since “abortion is a woman’s issue and men have no right discussing it”. So if there were more women in various government roles and they came out saying abortion should be illegal then would the issue be easier to address? If it was women discussing what was best for women would it be easier for people to evaluate the issue as a whole as opposed to just saying everyone against abortion is “sexist” or “brainwashed”?

Also if a larger number of women were in government roles, would they work to address issues to make having children easier and more accepted in society? If prenatal care was improved and more affordable, and child care was more easily accessible and affordable, would abortions decrease because women felt that they would have a better support network to raise their child in?

Or do you think that if more women were working in government, abortion would become more easily available because women would have emotional sympathy towards women forced to make hard choices and attempt to make those choices (abortion) easier?
 
akela135 said:
This is a hypothetical question that I was thinking about the other day and was wondering what other people thought.

Often times when a republican man comes out and says abortion should be illegal he gets reported as sexist since “abortion is a woman’s issue and men have no right discussing it”. So if there were more women in various government roles and they came out saying abortion should be illegal then would the issue be easier to address? If it was women discussing what was best for women would it be easier for people to evaluate the issue as a whole as opposed to just saying everyone against abortion is “sexist” or “brainwashed”?

Also if a larger number of women were in government roles, would they work to address issues to make having children easier and more accepted in society? If prenatal care was improved and more affordable, and child care was more easily accessible and affordable, would abortions decrease because women felt that they would have a better support network to raise their child in?

Or do you think that if more women were working in government, abortion would become more easily available because women would have emotional sympathy towards women forced to make hard choices and attempt to make those choices (abortion) easier?
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Not really. Many women have spoken out against abortion in the public square, including politicians. The other side simply accuses them of being duped by men, brainwashed, or, my personal favorite, “men with boobs”. Their claim that men have no say in this issue is not what they really have a problem with. Their real problem is that we disagree with abortion at all, regardless of gender.
 
akela135 said:
This is a hypothetical question that I was thinking about the other day and was wondering what other people thought.

Often times when a republican man comes out and says abortion should be illegal he gets reported as sexist since “abortion is a woman’s issue and men have no right discussing it”. So if there were more women in various government roles and they came out saying abortion should be illegal then would the issue be easier to address? If it was women discussing what was best for women would it be easier for people to evaluate the issue as a whole as opposed to just saying everyone against abortion is “sexist” or “brainwashed”?

Also if a larger number of women were in government roles, would they work to address issues to make having children easier and more accepted in society? If prenatal care was improved and more affordable, and child care was more easily accessible and affordable, would abortions decrease because women felt that they would have a better support network to raise their child in?

Or do you think that if more women were working in government, abortion would become more easily available because women would have emotional sympathy towards women forced to make hard choices and attempt to make those choices (abortion) easier?
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I think that women play a very important role in the pro-life movement in that they are far more credible advocates in a culture that is determined to make this a “women’s only” issue. As Farsight pointed out, that whole argument is really just a red herring. The pro-choicers are more than happy to let male politicians work on their behalf without talk of sexism. But as soon as they encounter opposition, they like to play that card. 🤷

The question as to what impact more women in government would have on abortion is tough to answer. It really depends what kind of women. Both men and women run the spectrum of political ideaologies.
 
depends on the woman who is elected…because there are some who are viciously pro abortion and some who are straunchly pro life.
 
No, look at where we’ve come since 1973 - women are everywhere in business and government now. Has contraception decreased? Has the society moved away from a culture of death into celebrating sexuality within the CONTEXT of marriage and its natural outcome, children? No. Kathleen Sebelius is a woman. The head of PP Cecile Richards is a woman. Some of the most virulent abortion supporters are female. Remember NARAL? Feminism came to mean “the unrestricted right to kill your own offspring in your womb.”

Electing females does not guarantee anything.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
No, look at where we’ve come since 1973 - women are everywhere in business and government now. Has contraception decreased? Has the society moved away from a culture of death into celebrating sexuality within the CONTEXT of marriage and its natural outcome, children? No. Kathleen Sebelius is a woman. The head of PP Cecile Richards is a woman. Some of the most virulent abortion supporters are female. Remember NARAL? Feminism came to mean “the unrestricted right to kill your own offspring in your womb.”

Electing females does not guarantee anything.
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This. 👍
 
Joe_5859 said:
I think that women play a very important role in the pro-life movement in that they are far more credible advocates in a culture that is determined to make this a “women’s only” issue. .
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I think that is a very good point. And so is your follow-on point that the effect of more women in government would depend on the views of the women who are getting elected.

I vaguely recall reading that conservative women, relative to liberal women, have trouble getting elected to the US Congress because conservatives tend to prefer male candidates in the party primary. If that is correct, then an increase in the percentage of women in government is likely to favor the pro-choice side.

If increasing the number of women in government is to help restrict access to abortion, then the key would be to increase the percent of conservative women who are in government. And the crucial step might happen when the parties are picking who will be their candidate.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Some of the most virulent abortion supporters are female. Remember NARAL? Feminism came to mean “the unrestricted right to kill your own offspring in your womb.”
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I think this is the problem. In my own experiences, the people I encounter the most often vociferously defending the pro-abortion position are women, they are screaming “My Body, My Choice!”, they are crying “Don’t shove your religion into my v----” and they are saying men should have no choice in the matter. Good men and women alike are in support of life. I see Legion of Mary members of both sexes, Knights of Columbus, ordinary parish women, all kinds of different people praying in front of PP. True, some boyfriends will defend their women and their so-called “right to choose”, but I have a feeling that the men of this nation are a silent majority who believe in the right to life. Because the supporters making the most noise are all liberal women.
 
Elizium23 said:
Good men and women alike are in support of life.
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Elizium23 said:
…I have a feeling that the men of this nation are a silent majority who believe in the right to life. Because the supporters making the most noise are all liberal women.
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In the US, there seem to be little gender difference in attitudes towards abortion, regardless of being pro-life or pro-choice. Here is one poll, but there are others which show much the same
gallup.com/poll/127559/education-trumps-gender-predicting-support-abortion.aspx
 
I can see how it really would take the right women, and thus just the right people, to be elected to have any change. And TheRealJuliane has a great point about how there are more women around now than when it was made legal, I guess I failed to think of that.

I guess I just really notice the double standard anymore. That a woman has a right to choose what to do with her body as long as she isn’t choosing to have children. I saw an article the other day talking about how 2 out of 5 women aren’t using contraception and the comments on the article were about how stupid and foolish women who didn’t use contraception are. I felt like whatever happened to “a woman’s choice”? But I’m preaching to the choir now 😛

I guess I let the media fool me into thinking that not enough women were discussing the issue, or at least not those that would have influence to change stuff, but I guess it really is a case of ignoring, mocking, or dismissing those (both male and female) who have opinoins that don’t favor legal abortion.
 
Elizium23 said:
I think this is the problem. In my own experiences, the people I encounter the most often vociferously defending the pro-abortion position are women, they are screaming “My Body, My Choice!”, they are crying “Don’t shove your religion into my v----” and they are saying men should have no choice in the matter. Good men and women alike are in support of life. I see Legion of Mary members of both sexes, Knights of Columbus, ordinary parish women, all kinds of different people praying in front of PP. True, some boyfriends will defend their women and their so-called “right to choose”, but I have a feeling that the men of this nation are a silent majority who believe in the right to life. Because the supporters making the most noise are all liberal women.
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I think many men have been bullied into silence. Men have been deeply wounded by abortion, right alongside women, as well. Silent No More encourages men to come forward and speak about their own experience with abortion. Men have a right to seek healing as well. It was, after all, their child too, who was killed.

But not all men are pro-life. Some are happy to pass any “problem” back to the woman to fix, just give the money for the abortion and then break up with the woman afterward. Of course we know it will hit him later on, maybe after his 2nd child is born alive, maybe not even that far away.
 
I was listening to Mark Shea on the radio and he said that it is a myth that more women are pro-abortion than men. He said that men are more for abortion, but we are told the opposite to make it a women’s issue. This makes sense to me because men are more interested in multiple sex partners and abortion frees them of any responsibility. I agree with Dale M that conservatives tend to favor male candidates, so the majority of females in Congress are pro-abortion liberals. I think conservatives need more prolife women in congress to add credibility to the cause.(btw, I don’t think male prolife politicians are any less credible, but the proaborts and the media have succeeded in portraying them that way.)
 
I wonder what is the ratio of men to women among abortion doctors themselves. It has always seemed to me like a male-dominated field, but as we have seen, my perceptions do not necessarily follow reality. 🤷
 
To answer the question in the OP…no, definitely not. I would say there are probably more pro choice women than men.
 
interestedman said:
To answer the question in the OP…no, definitely not. I would say there are probably more pro choice women than men.
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Statistics, which I believe, but I may be wrong, someone posted on the first page of this thread, actually show the opposite. There are more pro-life women than pro-choice women and more pro-choice men than pro-life men.
 
Elizium23 said:
I wonder what is the ratio of men to women among abortion doctors themselves.
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You ask an interesting question. A year ago, a survey was mailed to a sample of 1,800 ob-gyns practicing in the United States. A total of 1,031 doctors responded and the results were published in the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology.

Naturally, there is an element of self-selection in polls like this. Why any given OB-GYN decided to take the time to fill out the survey and return it, may vary, but it is possible that certain factors might skew the results. Still the results offer something to chew on.
Of the 1,031 responses tallied, 97 percent of physicians said patients had come to them seeking abortions, and just 14 percent – about one in seven – said they offered such services.
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health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/womens-health/articles/2011/08/24/only-1-in-7-obgyns-now-perform-abortions-survey-finds
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Women physicians are more likely than male physicians to provide an abortion (18.6 percent v. 10.6 percent)
Young doctors (ages 26 to 35) are the most likely to offer abortion, followed by the oldest doctors (ages 56 to  65)
Doctors in the Northeast or West are more likely to offer the procedure than those in the South or Midwest
Urban doctors are more likely than rural doctors to perform abortions
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Religion also turns out to be a good indicator of whether a doctor will provide abortions.
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40.2 percent of Jewish doctors say yes, compared with
1.2 percent of Evangelical Protestants
9 percent of Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox
10.1 percent of Non-Evangelical Protestants
20 percent of Hindus
26.5 percent of doctors who said they had no religious affiliation
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Few doctors who work in Catholic facilities, which often restrict abortion, offered the procedure.
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capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2011/08/study-a-declining-share-of-ob-gyns-offer-abortions/

Another caveat is that the survey measures physicians who are willing to perform abortions, and not physicians who primarily perform abortions.
 
Farsight001 said:
Statistics, which I believe, but I may be wrong, someone posted on the first page of this thread, actually show the opposite. There are more pro-life women than pro-choice women and more pro-choice men than pro-life men.
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Interesting, I would have never guessed this to be the case. I suppose I formulated my opinion from the so called ‘pro choice’ movement where it seems that women are the public outspoken advocates for abortion than are men.

In any event, people being for abortion is a shame. And given the new info available to me (more women against abortion than men), if this is in fact true I would then have to guess that having more women polticians would serve to make abortion illegal faster.

God Bless,
Bill
 
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