Would buying accessories of a bad TV show be sinful?

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Dear Brooklyn,

You have it the hammer on the nail bang on. All this discussion about buying merchandise misses the fundamental issue, viz, the morally contemptible programmes themselves. People who waste time watching this deplorable and morally depraved material ought, if they are professing Christains, to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Such programmes are not only mind polluting and time consumming but they encourage and excite unholy and unwholesome thoughts that can be the occasion of many hurtful lusts and sins. Surely dear friends we cannot sit passively watching scantily dressed men and women engaging in pre-marital sex and other sins of the flesh and remain unscathed - “can a man carry fire in his bosom and his clothes not be scorched” (Prov. 6: 27). Bearing in mind our Church’s teaching on chastity and fornication, how can they sit in front of a TV set and watch this unbridled ribaldry? With Job they should consider making a “covenant” with their eyes without delay (see Job 31: 1).

Furthermore these programmes have a tendency to foster a frivilous and hedonistic approach to life, the very antithesis to that enjoined by our most holy Faith. They are blatantly and essentially about the selfish pursuit of one’s happiness, at the expense of everything and everyone else. Since they are contrary to all that we reverence and hold dear as Catholics, they should be donounced in the strongest terms as unworthy and base forms of entertainment. Given this junk it is hardly surprising that our youth are turning out the way they are these days, save for some rare exceptions - dismissive of tradition and accepted social mores, unprecedented insubordination to parents and those in authority, severe attitude and behavoural problems, often issuing in aggression and violence - need I continue?

I make no apology for speaking in this manner; these things need urgently to be said to our disaffected youth. In the New Testament we are told to counsel our brethren if we see them going astray, exhorting them to change their wayward ways, out of love for them and genuine concern for their immortal souls. Nowhere is it even hinted at that we encourage them in their sin and, having no regard at all for their eternal welfare, make it easy for them to stray even further. Now if all this makes me a joyless prigg or prude then I plead guilty as charged.

For those who consider it perfectly acceptable to watch the the programmes adverted to in this thread, I draw your attention to these words of St. Paul (perhaps he would be deemed a legalistic kill-joy today also):

“Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honourable, whatever is just, what ever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is gracious, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things” (Philipp. 4: 8).

Warmest good wishes and prayers,

Portrait
I agree. You cannot tease loose a thread of humor if the whole cloth is made of filth.

“Well, I know the show promotes sin, but I just think it’s funny and I want to wear the t-shirt.”

Nuh-uh. It does not wash.
 
I feel the same as Portrait and Ridgerunner. I don’t even buy Mickey Mouse or Winnie the Pooh stuff because the Disney empire, though a wonderful good time as professed by those who go there, promotes many anti Christian, anti family, anti God organizations and beliefs.
 
The “Disney empire” promotes anti-Christian beliefs? What?:confused:
I find that very hard to believe. Can you give me some evidence? I’m not questioning your sincerity, I just know that people sometimes misinterpret things.
 
I think this thread looks well and truly answered.

Now… On a similar vein…

A Catholic Christian friend bought me a t-shirt that has a nice portrait of Jesus in the middle, and around it it reads:
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“Jesus is coming… Everybody look busy!”*

The joke for them is that there are lots of people out there who actually think like that! (Although not us.) I’d just like to know how many of you think it’s offensive?
 
Portrait and Ridgerunner, my hat off to you both; you’ve hit the nail on the head! 👍

Choy, me and my wife are in our 30’s and no longer watch TV. The main reason is because of all the anti-Christian negatives it teaches our children. Some comments and behaviours etc may “go over their heads” initially, but the long-term subliminal (and sometimes clear) message is that the language and behaviours should be condoned. Now, we spend time talking and playing games, teaching them about Jesus and the Church by using every day examples of recent events, and by watching DVDs that have no morally questionable material. Our home has become a much happier and healthier place to be for all. 🙂

Thank God for Catholic Answers! 👍
Dear Haggisman,

It was so very heart-warming to read your posting and indeed the others on this thread regarding the plenitude of deplorably bad TV programmes. It does not surprise me that your home is a “much happier and healthier place”; may our Lord continue to bless your happy home as you endeavour to keep yourselves and your children “unstained from the world”, for this is the “religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father” (St. James 1: 27).

You make, I think, an excellent point regarding the subliminal messaging in these programmes which are insiduously approving immorality and therefore sin. Here in the UK, for example, there have been any number of soap operas that have ethier commended sexually deviant behaviour or transsexuality. In a very subtle way people are being brainwashed into thinking that these so called “life style choices” are perfectly normal and that those who oppose them, even from deeply held Christian convictions, are “homophobic” bigots and altogether rather unpleasant people. Clearly such offensive material is unbefitting for any Christian who is worth their salt and yet there are many Christians, including Catholics, who do not baulk at this sort of stuff - this simply defies belief and is quite beyond me. Moreover how can one watch such unsavoury programmes and not be contaminated by the zeitgeist or spirit of the times? - “Can a man carry fire in his bosom and his clothes not be burnt”?(Proverbs 6:27).

Dearly beloved, our lot is cast in very difficult and morally degenerate times so let us strive to keep ourselves pure and holy so that at the last we may enter into His eternal joy.

Warmest good wishes and prayers,

Portrait

PS Re the t shirt, I don’t think its in very good taste - irreverent and frivilous.
 
The “Disney empire” promotes anti-Christian beliefs? What?:confused:
I find that very hard to believe. Can you give me some evidence? I’m not questioning your sincerity, I just know that people sometimes misinterpret things.
Dear Alex246,

You should find the following link not only informative but quite a bombshell also - be prepared for a shock:

Ihr.org/jhr/v17n5p10_Weber.html

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait
 
I feel the same as Portrait and Ridgerunner. I don’t even buy Mickey Mouse or Winnie the Pooh stuff because the Disney empire, though a wonderful good time as professed by those who go there, promotes many anti Christian, anti family, anti God organizations and beliefs.
I think you should substantiate those accusations, else there are some Disney attorneys who will want to have some words with you.
 
People who waste time watching this deplorable and morally depraved material ought, if they are professing Christains, to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Such programmes are not only mind polluting and time consumming but they encourage and excite unholy and unwholesome thoughts that can be the occasion of many hurtful lusts and sins.
I think everything you wrote in your post hits the mark exactly, but I wanted to focus on your statement about wasting time. I think we forget that our time on this earth is very limited. Even if we live to 100 years, it’s just not that long. We are told by Paul in Col. 4:5 to “redeem the time.” Christ told us that we will have to answer for every idle word we speak, and in our day and time, I think that includes every idle word and action that we watch and fill our heads with.

The entire point of our lives is to gain salvation throught the sacrifice of Christ and be with him and the Trinity and the saints and angels in heaven. We have an Enemy who wants to do everything he can to stop that. He will use any means possible, and that includes watching funny, attractive people who can make us laugh. We know these shows are not of God, and in this world, there is only one other alternative.

People need to think long and hard about what they are allowing into their minds and if we are using the time we are given to grow closer to God and or to the ways of this fallen world. What we sow, we shall reap.
 
Dear Brooklyn,

Thankyou for your very sobering thoughtful insights - my sentiments entirely.

A passge from Sacred Scripture that has kept occurring to me during the present discussion is St. John 2: 15-17:

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If any one loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides for ever".

If, as St. Peter informs us, we are “aliens and exiles” in this world then we should avoid becoming engrossed in this world’s sinful and decadent pursuits and past times. Now it is incontrovertable that the contemporary world of television is in a state of unprecedented moral and cultural deterioration and that being the case Christians should avoid it like the plague. This is not an overstatement from some sour, gloomy killjoy, on the contrary it is a statement of fact which people choose to ignore at their peril.

Unfortunately we live in an age which despises moral absolutes and anyone who dares to insist upon them is regarded as some sort of singular grim ascetic who derives perverse glee from denying others worldly content. One expects a response of this kind from the unconverted, but when it comes from professing Christians, and especially Catholics, it is very disappointing and dispiriting - nontheless an evidence of disloyalty to Christ and a refusal to strive to live up to the arduous demands of the Gospel. By the way I should like to know how we can enter into life eternal without living an abstemious life of self-denial. We would do well to remember that it is those “…people who have not soiled their garments (who) shall walk with me (Christ) in white, for they are worthy” (Apoc. 3: 4).

Yes indeed people need to think long and hard about what unwholesome and unsavoury influences they are permitting to pollute their minds and thus compromise their allegiance to Christ and the Gospel. We are called upon not only to resist the allurements of this world but to positively overcome them.

One of my favourite texts in the New Testament is:

“Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb. 12: 14, emphasis mine). It is one’s devotedness to God and His Commandments which alone produces purity of heart and life.

Warmest good wishes and prayers,

Portrait.
 
I love Seinfeld. The entertainment comes not from watching the characters sin mortally, quite the contrary.

The entertainment lies in seeing the trouble and strife their sins cause them - how they get tied up in all sorts of knotty problems BECAUSE of their own (and their collective) deceitfulness, vanity, selfishness, moral cowardice and so on.

In short, I’m entertained by seeing how the sins receive their just desserts and situations fall apart for the characters when they do despicable things. The show does the opposite of glorifying sin in my humble opinion.
 
I love Seinfeld. The entertainment comes not from watching the characters sin mortally, quite the contrary.

The entertainment lies in seeing the trouble and strife their sins cause them - how they get tied up in all sorts of knotty problems BECAUSE of their own (and their collective) deceitfulness, vanity, selfishness, moral cowardice and so on.

In short, I’m entertained by seeing how the sins receive their just desserts and situations fall apart for the characters when they do despicable things. The show does the opposite of glorifying sin in my humble opinion.
Dear LilyM,

Do you not consider it a rather unworthy motive to watch a TV show, and a deplorably bad one at that, only to see the characters receive their comeuppance because you find it entertaining? St. Paul says, “Charity does not rejoice at wrong” (I Cor. 13: 6). Wanting to see them get their “just deserts” savours of vindictiveness and does not sit comfortably with Christian ethics.

Moreover, you appear to be ignoring the fact that such TV shows with all their morally repugnant material are unbefitting of those who profess godliness. As Brooklyn has pointed out above, we “need to think long and hard about what (we) are allowing into our minds…what we sow, we shall also reap”. As a fellow Catholic, I would implore you not to contaminate your soul with this reprehensible junk. In comparison to eternity our life in this world is all too short; truly our portion here is brief so let us not sqaunder our time polluting our minds, let us “redeem the time, for the days are evil”.

Warmest good wishes and prayers,

Portrait
 
Dear LilyM,

Do you not consider it a rather unworthy motive to watch a TV show, and a deplorably bad one at that, only to see the characters receive their comeuppance because you find it entertaining? St. Paul says, “Charity does not rejoice at wrong” (I Cor. 13: 6). Wanting to see them get their “just deserts” savours of vindictiveness and does not sit comfortably with Christian ethics.

Moreover, you appear to be ignoring the fact that such TV shows with all their morally repugnant material are unbefitting of those who profess godliness. As Brooklyn has pointed out above, we “need to think long and hard about what (we) are allowing into our minds…what we sow, we shall also reap”. As a fellow Catholic, I would implore you not to contaminate your soul with this reprehensible junk. In comparison to eternity our life in this world is all too short; truly our portion here is brief so let us not sqaunder our time polluting our minds, let us “redeem the time, for the days are evil”.

Warmest good wishes and prayers,

Portrait
Oh puh-leeze. By your logic everyone who’s ever laughed at a slip-on-a-banana-peel gag or a ‘funny home videos’ show is being unChristian, since the mishaps are innocent and thus they have even less reason to be entertained.

Read the Psalms - saintly people cand and do rejoice at sin (and in David’s case, sinners) being vanquished. I certainly don’t go that far by any means!

On reflection, I’ve given the wrong impression. I am certainly not entertained wholly and solely by the ‘comeuppance’ aspect, otherwise I suppose I’d be the sort of person to laugh at the part of Acts where Annias and Sapphira are struck dead.

What I sow, so shall I reap indeed. And if I’m sowing the idea that lying, cheating, stealing or being selfish etc will get you in trouble - which lesson Seinfeld teaches in abundance - or at least that it achieves nothing worthwhile - which lesson it ALSO teaches in abundance - how is what I’m going to reap in any way unChristian? Didn’t Jesus Himself try to teach us the same thing?
 
Dear LilyM,

Thankyou for your response.

Firstly, innocent mishaps and “you have been framed” funny home videos are hardly in the same league as mortal sins, so actually my logic remains quite valid and sound.

Secondly, surely one does not need to watch this *Seinfield *show to know that “lying, cheating, stealing or being selfish etc. will get you into trouble”. That lesson is amply taught in the pages of Sacred Scripture, so it is quite unecessary to morally pollute ones mind with objectionable content just to discover this truth.

Finally, I do not feel that you have addressed the issue regarding the contamination of your soul resulting from viewing this filth. Have you considered the long term effects, I mean will this show stimulate you in your pursuit of holiness and the life of faith?, or contriwise will it dull and blunt your spiritual sensibilities and thus make your conscience less tender and less sensitive to sin? In terms of harm to the health of your soul the damage could be incalculable. Even if you cannot accept anything else that I have said, at least ponder this point.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait
 
Dear LilyM,

Thankyou for your response.

Firstly, innocent mishaps and “you have been framed” funny home videos are hardly in the same league as mortal sins, so actually my logic remains quite valid and sound.

Secondly, surely one does not need to watch this *Seinfield *show to know that “lying, cheating, stealing or being selfish etc. will get you into trouble”. That lesson is amply taught in the pages of Sacred Scripture, so it is quite unecessary to morally pollute ones mind with objectionable content just to discover this truth.
It is amply taught, nonetheless many people do not heed its lessons and still do these wrong things. As transcendent as sacred scripture is, it was written 2,000 years ago. Our spiritual leaders of today use modern-day examples to teach us, in addition to scripture, no? Precisely because they realise that modern-day examples can illustrate a message more vividly for a modern-day audience. So why should we not do the same in our self-education?
Finally, I do not feel that you have addressed the issue regarding the contamination of your soul resulting from viewing this filth. Have you considered the long term effects, I mean will this show stimulate you in your pursuit of holiness and the life of faith?, or contriwise will it dull and blunt your spiritual sensibilities and thus make your conscience less tender and less sensitive to sin? In terms of harm to the health of your soul the damage could be incalculable. Even if you cannot accept anything else that I have said, at least ponder this point.
I am well satisfied that watching *Seinfeld *does not in the least inspire me to imitate the characters in their immoral behaviour, or dull my sensibilities about the immoral nature of their behaviour. Quite the contrary.

By the same logic, I am sure that reading about the actions of David (vis-a-vis Bathsheba), Simon Magus or Judas - or secular stories like those of Nero or Hitler - doesn’t inspire you to imitate them, or make you more accepting of sins of the kind that they committed. And I’m sure you’d tell me that their stories would instead inspire you to avoid sin and lead a life of holiness and faith.

In that sense it benefits my spiritual growth while giving me a belly laugh (and there are plenty of non-immoral and very funny jokes in it) at the same time. Double bonus. And I am well satisfied that if anything it DOES inspire me to pursue a life of holiness and faith, by teaching me that sin is unrewarding, ultimately.
Warmest good wishes,
Likewise. :tiphat:
 
The Office is one of the cleanest shows on TV. I watch it through the internet.
Harping on people who enjoy it is kinda dumb when 99% of the other shows out there are much, MUCH worse.
Go pick on the Family Guy viewers.
 
The Office is one of the cleanest shows on TV. I watch it through the internet.
Harping on people who enjoy it is kinda dumb when 99% of the other shows out there are much, MUCH worse.
Go pick on the Family Guy viewers.
Dear Mommomamats,

No one has singled out “The Office” for specific censure since that show is not currently under discussion.

Having only watched* The Office* just once I can’t really comment upon the moral content one way or the other, though it seems replete with inane nerd humour.

Warmest good wishes,

Potrait
 
Dear Mommomamats,

No one has singled out “The Office” for specific censure since that show is not currently under discussion.

Having only watched* The Office* just once I can’t really comment upon the moral content one way or the other, though it seems replete with inane nerd humour.

Warmest good wishes,

Potrait
Actually, The Office was specifically singled out in post #1 – totally without justification, IMO.
 
People seem to fail to understand the difference between a show in which people sin and a show that promotes sin.
 
People also fail to understand that one of the enemy’s prime tactics is to get you to agree with him on SOMETHING, even if seemingly harmless: ‘Haha, Seinfeld is funny.’

Once he has a wedge into the doorway to your soul, he will get you to agree to other things far more deadly.
 
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