Would copying recipes be stealing?

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Say a person got a library book and wanted a small percentage of the recipes from the book and copied them for personal use. Okt or theft?
Or say a person got a library book and copied a few pages for personal reference. Ok or theft?
 
Writers of recipe books intend people to follow their recipes and make their food - otherwise they wouldn’t write them 🙂 and they would also expect people will share those recipes with folks who haven’t bought the book.

The only possible exception might be if you were a business rival of the writer’s trying to do them out of a living by making exactly the same food or something.
 
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Copyright law does not protect recipes that are mere listings of ingredients. Nor does it protect other mere listings of ingredients such as those found in formulas, compounds, or prescriptions. Copyright protection may, however, extend to substantial literary expression—a description, explanation, or illustration, for example—that accompanies a recipe or formula or to a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook.
This is the law for the USA; outside this country, YMMV, check locally.
 
I would think as long as you’re copying them for personal use, you should be fine. If you’re copying them, making the item, and then selling them as your won, then I think you’d be crossing the line.
 
Say a person got a library book and wanted a small percentage of the recipes from the book and copied them for personal use. Okt or theft?
Or say a person got a library book and copied a few pages for personal reference. Ok or theft?
Both of these options are completely legitimate in the United States under copyright law. In general, recipies are not copyrighted.
 
There’s also the concept of “fair use”. That means that you are allowed to copy small portions of a complete work to share, but you’d be crossing the line if you photocopied an entire library book instead of buying it. On the internet, people occasionally get into trouble when they quote vast chunks of news stories on their blogs. Quotes are fine–ripping off the whole story is not. In your example, a single page of a large recipe book would probably be a good case of fair use.

I am not a lawyer!
 
I would think as long as you’re copying them for personal use, you should be fine. If you’re copying them, making the item, and then selling them as your won, then I think you’d be crossing the line.
That is a distinction with certain licensing arrangements, but not a distinction under general copyright law.
 
Copyright does not protect lists or processes. Cooking instructions are an example of a process.

Photocopying, or hand copying a recipe verbatim for your own use would be “fair use”. Using the verbatim copy in your own cookbook would not be acceptable.

Using the original to write your own instructions would be entirely acceptable for all purposes. This is why generic store brands taste very similar to exactly like the name brand - they legally use very similar recipes!
 
According to US copyright law, “Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed.” IOW, you can record the ingredients and you can learn how to make the recipe without buying the book. It is ethical (IMHO, using the Golden Rule) to record the source of the recipe idea when you do, so that if you pass the recipe on you can write “adapted from Author, Book, year”, so the author’s name stays on the recipe as it travels around the world.

This is from a US Copyright Office circular on “fair use”:

"One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright law (title 17, U. S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.” The doctrine of fair use has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years and has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.

1.The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
2. The nature of the copyrighted work
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

The distinction between what is fair use and what is infringement in a particular case will not always be clear or easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission."

My rule of thumb has been that if I am only saving the number of recipes typical for a newspaper review of a cookbook, I don’t feel bound to buy the book. I can get as many ideas as I like and not buy the book. If I’m really turning down the pages, though, I will buy the book if it is still practically possible to do it, because it seems the right thing to do by the author. Still, libraries do not have cookbooks in their collection with the idea that everyone is going to use the recipes as research in the development of personal versions. It is OK to just use the recipes as written, and you don’t have to limit yourself on how many. Always keep track of who the author was, though, and make sure their name stays attached to the recipe as long as it is substantially the same as they wrote it. You wouldn’t claim your grandmother’s recipe as your own, and you shouldn’t do that to a cookbook author, either.
 
Say a person got a library book and wanted a small percentage of the recipes from the book and copied them for personal use. Okt or theft?
Or say a person got a library book and copied a few pages for personal reference. Ok or theft?
Everyone here has so far hit in and around the law; however, still not answered the question.
  • If you copy the entire body of work, you are in violation of the copyright in that even if the list of ingredents may not be copyrightable, the design, layout, stories, and other references within the book are copyrightable.
  • If you use the receipe, and then claim that the receipe was your own original work and published or used it in a manner that resulted in either material gain and/or attribited the work to you, then you run afoul of the copyright. In this case, you clearly state “for personal use.” Personally, I note the source of the receipe on the copies I have… just incase.
  • As for the book on loan from the library, the ability to copy (even photocopy) one or two receipies from the book is more than likely expected by the Author and Publisher… read the copyright notice in the books, you’ll note that the library couldn’t have the book for circulation if the copyright holder didn’t agree to allow the book to be loaned.
 
Writers of recipe books intend people to follow their recipes and make their food - otherwise they wouldn’t write them 🙂
Yes, by buying the book.
and they would also expect people will share those recipes with folks who haven’t bought the book.
No, they would expect people to buy their book. Or I would, if I’d written a book.
The only possible exception might be if you were a business rival of the writer’s trying to do them out of a living by making exactly the same food or something.
Lily, this is a legal question. And, while lists and processes are not copyrightable, the book is and cannot be photocopied.

The OP should ask permission, copy by hand the list of ingredients and instructions she wants, or buy the book.
 
That is a distinction with certain licensing arrangements, but not a distinction under general copyright law.
You’re correct, but I also see it as a moral question: If you are strictly copying a recipe and then selling that as your own and not giving due credit, I think that’s morally wrong. If, however, you’re making a recipe that you think looks good and sharing it with your friends, then I see nothing wrong with copying the recipe for that purpose.
 
…The OP should ask permission, copy by hand the list of ingredients and instructions she wants, or buy the book.
This is what is expected…and if I were the author, I would expect people in anything like a charitable relationship with me would keep my name and attribution attached to any handwritten copies of my recipes.

Adding the Golden Rule to the strict letter of the law is the way to go here. If you (OP) had written a cookbook and all of your friends were going to the library to make photocopies from the one copy that sold, how are you going to make a fair profit from that? Your friends would buy the book. OTOH, if you wrote a cookbook, would you expect that your friends might give another friend their hand-written adaptation of a recipe or two? That would be like reading your memoirs and regaling friends with a few stories from it. Of course you wouldn’t expect those who owned your work to take a vow of secrecy to not broadcast any of the particulars. You would expect them to be honest about who the original author is, where the information was published, and to tell people who pumped them for more than an insubstantial portion “hey, if you want more than that, buy the book.”
 
Why not ask permission from the copyright holder to do what you want to do? They may say no, they may say yes, go ahead. They may place restrictions on your usage or copying. They may request a licensing fee to do what you want. Either way, it is better to ask permission than forgiveness.
 
I don’t know about you, but if the writer didn’t want the public using his/her recipe, he/she probably would not have wrote it into a book. 😉 It is my understanding that recipes are not copyrighted.

I think you’re fine. 👍

God bless you. :blessyou:
 
I don’t know about you, but if the writer didn’t want the public using his/her recipe, he/she probably would not have wrote it into a book. 😉
Using the recipe and making photocopies of the cookbook, instead of buying it, are not the same thing.
It is my understanding that recipes are not copyrighted.
A list of ingredients is not copyright protected.

Cookbooks are.

From copyright.gov:

Copyright law does not protect recipes that are mere listings of ingredients. Nor does it protect other mere listings of ingredients such as those found in formulas, compounds, or prescriptions. Copyright protection may, however, extend to substantial literary expression—a description, explanation, or illustration, for example—that accompanies a recipe or formula or to a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook.
 
I don’t know about you, but if the writer didn’t want the public using his/her recipe, he/she probably would not have wrote it into a book. 😉 It is my understanding that recipes are not copyrighted.

I think you’re fine. 👍

God bless you. :blessyou:
The writer wrote the book with the intention that people would buy it, though. Copyright protection extends not to the ingredient list, but to the author’s writing of the recipe, which is infringed upon when it is photocopied outside of fair use. The publisher also has rights to be considered. They aren’t non-profits.
 
So do you think it is wrong to make a list of the ingredients from a library cookbook and write directions in your own wording to use?
 
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