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Would not ANY fallen material world have an Old Testament if it was to receive an Incarnation?
First axiom: Why would God create any material world in some arbitrary universe and infuse or hand to the creatures at the beginning, the fullness of materialistic laws of that world [science]? Does not a creature appreciate something more when they have to earn it? This would make God like a dad that gives the teen a brand new car for nothing. ********, earn the car, kid.
Therefore, it is safe t
o say that, in order that any material world might FULLY appreciate the Immense Divine Wisdom in any Creation, God will only infuse MINIMAL knowledge of the created order at the outset.
Hence, any world, if it falls, will be primitive, like our world was, and so will eventually tend toward LITERAL paganism, since it will be both fallen and scientifically ignorant.
Hence, any world that falls, regardless of what its scientific nature is, will require first a great prefiguring covenant to emphasize the purely spiritual nature of God and His ultimate Unicity, before Trinity and Incarnation can be imparted, since a pagan world will clearly confound the Trinity and Incarnation with something like Mormonism and the deification of man, in infancy.
That is, in ANY world that falls, a covenant like our Old, or Jewish Covenant, will need to be given to some porition of that world before they can handle the more complex nature of God, the Trinity and Incarnation.
Theorem 1:
So a prefiguring covenant is needed before the Incarnation and Revealtion of Trinity.
Now, we ask, immediately after the fall of of the creatures, can this prefiguring covenant be given?
I say no. In our world, humanity tried to digest what I clearly see as the two great lies of the fall in succession.
After all, with the seduction of the fall so ripe, and given that a child is curious at first, will fallen humanity not seek to digest the supreme lies of the serpent first before God can do anything? And what is the only way to disrupt a child’s infatuation with what it should not do except via discipline, forced intervention to temporarily frustrate the child’s whims?
Amen, there are two reasons that God would make ANY material world, and these would be the same always:
Hence, first the creatures will seek to digest the first lie: to disregard knowing God and obeying Him, hence, a great stage of wickedness. Of course, the ultimate end of wickedness is spiritual death in hell, but humanity is not ready for that, so God gives them the most suitable picture of eternal spiritual death, physical death. In our world, this was the Flood. God spares a righteous remnant, for there are always a few stars in the night.
Then, the creatures shall revert to the second lie, pursuit of “flirtatious union” with the CreaTION in place of seeking marital union with the CreaTOR, a selfish and perverse pursuit of blasphemous material grandeur and independent glory. We can see in retrospective, the easiest frustration of this fallen condition is the confounding of communication, hence enabling, as with the first chastisement, God to focus upon a remnant righteous, in fact, to marry them.
Behold, God marries a remnant nation, and so can commence the PREFIGURING covenant. In this world, the Hebrews.
So you see, some things are always the same for a fallen material world, since certain aspects of purpose and the fallen nature are the same for an arbitrary fallen material world ,regardless of what its scientific nature might be.
First axiom: Why would God create any material world in some arbitrary universe and infuse or hand to the creatures at the beginning, the fullness of materialistic laws of that world [science]? Does not a creature appreciate something more when they have to earn it? This would make God like a dad that gives the teen a brand new car for nothing. ********, earn the car, kid.
Therefore, it is safe t
o say that, in order that any material world might FULLY appreciate the Immense Divine Wisdom in any Creation, God will only infuse MINIMAL knowledge of the created order at the outset.
Hence, any world, if it falls, will be primitive, like our world was, and so will eventually tend toward LITERAL paganism, since it will be both fallen and scientifically ignorant.
Hence, any world that falls, regardless of what its scientific nature is, will require first a great prefiguring covenant to emphasize the purely spiritual nature of God and His ultimate Unicity, before Trinity and Incarnation can be imparted, since a pagan world will clearly confound the Trinity and Incarnation with something like Mormonism and the deification of man, in infancy.
That is, in ANY world that falls, a covenant like our Old, or Jewish Covenant, will need to be given to some porition of that world before they can handle the more complex nature of God, the Trinity and Incarnation.
Theorem 1:
So a prefiguring covenant is needed before the Incarnation and Revealtion of Trinity.
Now, we ask, immediately after the fall of of the creatures, can this prefiguring covenant be given?
I say no. In our world, humanity tried to digest what I clearly see as the two great lies of the fall in succession.
After all, with the seduction of the fall so ripe, and given that a child is curious at first, will fallen humanity not seek to digest the supreme lies of the serpent first before God can do anything? And what is the only way to disrupt a child’s infatuation with what it should not do except via discipline, forced intervention to temporarily frustrate the child’s whims?
Amen, there are two reasons that God would make ANY material world, and these would be the same always:
- That the creatures may KNOW, LOVE and SERVE Him in their world and…
- Marry Him forever in the NEXT.
- Have no regard to KNOW, LOVE, or serve God. Believe as you wish and do as you wish, and you will escape any consequences.
- You will not find your ultimate happiness in marrying your CreaTOR in the NEXT life. Rather, you will find your ultimate happiness in “joining yourself” [spiritual fornication] with the creaTION in THIS life, materialism
Hence, first the creatures will seek to digest the first lie: to disregard knowing God and obeying Him, hence, a great stage of wickedness. Of course, the ultimate end of wickedness is spiritual death in hell, but humanity is not ready for that, so God gives them the most suitable picture of eternal spiritual death, physical death. In our world, this was the Flood. God spares a righteous remnant, for there are always a few stars in the night.
Then, the creatures shall revert to the second lie, pursuit of “flirtatious union” with the CreaTION in place of seeking marital union with the CreaTOR, a selfish and perverse pursuit of blasphemous material grandeur and independent glory. We can see in retrospective, the easiest frustration of this fallen condition is the confounding of communication, hence enabling, as with the first chastisement, God to focus upon a remnant righteous, in fact, to marry them.
Behold, God marries a remnant nation, and so can commence the PREFIGURING covenant. In this world, the Hebrews.
So you see, some things are always the same for a fallen material world, since certain aspects of purpose and the fallen nature are the same for an arbitrary fallen material world ,regardless of what its scientific nature might be.