Would pro-choicers favor abortion of 2-year olds?

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Hardly a mainstream person. Even she is just trying to take the shame out of having one herself, not advocating it for everyone.
 
“Abortion is not some crazy weird last resort. It is a normal part of womens’ medical lives.”
-Martha Plimpton, founder of A is For, a pro-abortion non-profit
 
That is why I mentioned this reason specifically, the majority of people who support abortion will NOT support gender selection abortions. Everyone has a line.
 
You keep narrowing the argument, until it is a tiny peephole no one can get through. This is done in favor of making your argument.

But the fact remains, abortion is a taking of a human life. And that act is being normalized and accepted in today’s society. I think there absolutely should be shame and stigma around murder. If she advocated it for everyone there would be no more society. But it is still harmful to make it acceptable.
 
LovingWife822 said:
You keep narrowing the argument, until it is a tiny peephole no one can get through. This is done in favor of making your argument.

But the fact remains, abortion is a taking of a human life. And that act is being normalized and accepted in today’s society. I think there absolutely should be shame and stigma around murder. If she advocated it for everyone there would be no more society. But it is still harmful to make it acceptable.
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I also think the Kavanaugh fiasco is an apt demonstration of those who view abortion and only abortion as the holy grail of women’s rights and the steps that they would take to defend it.
 
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I have noticed something recently that I never really considered. An overwhelming majority of pro-choice people understand very well the opposition to abortion by pro-life people. They understand that pro-life people consider anything from fertilization, and beyond, to be a human being/life/person. They disagree, but they understand the concept.

On the other hand, it seems an overwhleming majority of pro-life people have little to no concept of what pro-choice people believe and why they believe it. They may think they understand the concepts and concerns, but they don’t because they refuse to look through the lense of others. Don’t get me wrong, I am not suggesting for a minute that a pro-life person needs to change their view on things. But it is disturbing the number of those I meet, who don’t “get” that pro-choice people don’t celebrate abortion. If they are celebrating, it is because they are celebrating that a woman has a right to make her own choice about her own body and what goes on in it. It is a broad celebration. It is a celebration of keeping the government out of dictating what one does with their body with regards to reproduction. Many would never have an abortion or encourage a loved one to. Some may. One size doesn’t fit all with regards to this issue, at all.

In any event, it is just an observation I have made, and one I find interesting. I appreciate those who do see the bigger picture. I encourage those who don’t, to maybe try. It is fine that you hold your beliefs and hold them strong. Debate fiercly. Don’t waver. But understanding someone else, and not attributing characteristics to them that they don’t have, is always a good thing.
 
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JMMJ said:
I have noticed something recently that I never really considered. An overwhelming majority of pro-choice people understand very well the opposition to abortion by pro-life people. They understand that pro-life people consider anything from fertilization, and beyond, to be a human being/life/person. They disagree, but they understand the concept.

On the other hand, it seems an overwhleming majority of pro-life people have little to no concept of what pro-choice people believe and why they believe it. They may think they understand the concepts and concerns, but they don’t because they refuse to look through the lense of others.
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Really?
Ironically I think you are buying into popular stereotypes.
Misunderstanding cuts across all boundaries.
 
JMMJ said:
I have noticed something recently that I never really considered. An overwhelming majority of pro-choice people understand very well the opposition to abortion by pro-life people. They understand that pro-life people consider anything from fertilization, and beyond, to be a human being/life/person. They disagree, but they understand the concept.

On the other hand, it seems an overwhleming majority of pro-life people have little to no concept of what pro-choice people believe and why they believe it. They may think they understand the concepts and concerns, but they don’t because they refuse to look through the lense of others. Don’t get me wrong, I am not suggesting for a minute that a pro-life person needs to change their view on things. But it is disturbing the number of those I meet, who don’t “get” that pro-choice people don’t celebrate abortion. If they are celebrating, it is because they are celebrating that a woman has a right to make her own choice about her own body and what goes on in it. It is a broad celebration. It is a celebration of keeping the government out of dictating what one does with their body with regards to reproduction. Many would never have an abortion or encourage a loved one to. Some may. One size doesn’t fit all with regards to this issue, at all.

In any event, it is just an observation I have made, and one I find interesting. I appreciate those who do see the bigger picture. I encourage those who don’t, to maybe try. It is fine that you hold your beliefs and hold them strong. Debate fiercly. Don’t waver. But understanding someone else, and not attributing characteristics to them that they don’t have, is always a good thing.
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Actually, what I don’t “get” are people who think it is their business to “encourage” one way or the other.

From my point of view, either a pregnancy already involves a child who ought to have the rights of any other human being, in which case society has the duty to protect the child as any other child is protected, or else the pregnancy is a medical condition that exists prior to the existence of the child, in which case it isn’t anyone else’s business to “encourage” or “discourage” it.

We don’t generally think this way with regards to other issues: that is, we don’t have the “well, if this person doesn’t recognize the rights of this other person or doesn’t recognize this thing deserving of our protection, whatever it is, that’s unfortunate, but what are you going to do?”

Honestly, there are pro-choice people who think it is right if it is harder to cut down a tree in your own yard than to get an abortion. I mean they are willing to impinge on personal freedoms in all sorts of ways, but not this one. This blows my mind.
 
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JMMJ:
I have noticed something recently that I never really considered. An overwhelming majority of pro-choice people understand very well the opposition to abortion by pro-life people. They understand that pro-life people consider anything from fertilization, and beyond, to be a human being/life/person. They disagree, but they understand the concept.

On the other hand, it seems an overwhleming majority of pro-life people have little to no concept of what pro-choice people believe and why they believe it. They may think they understand the concepts and concerns, but they don’t because they refuse to look through the lense of others.
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Really?
Ironically I think you are buying into popular stereotypes.
Misunderstanding cuts across all boundaries.
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Yep. We even had posts here from pro choicers accusing Catholics of all people of not caring for life after one is born - even that we wanted “to kill 2 year olds” , or that we focus only on the abortion issue, etc. All completely false and buying in to the abortion rights industry caricature of the pro life movement.
 
goout said:
Really?
Ironically I think you are buying into popular stereotypes.
Misunderstanding cuts across all boundaries.
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What am I misunderstanding?

I think I stated it pretty clearly. I get the pro-life view. I also get the pro-choice view. Pro-choice people aren’t typically abortion activists. They are people who believe the choice should be left to a woman, not the people around her.

I see a lot of sensationalism here, and it is disheartening because it means the ugly debate of this topic is going to be ugly for a long time.

I am not someone who believes pro-lifers don’t care about human life once it is here, as some have accused. I also don’t believe pro-choicers “celebrate” abortion, as I have also seen accused here quite a bit.

My point was that we should stop attributing characteristics, globally, to either group. Nobody sees the world through my eyes, just as I don’t see the world through anyone else’s. We each have a view that is unique to who we are. Trying to gain an understanding of what motivates another, rather than making assumptions, is only helpful. I wrote my post to encourage all of us to consider that.
 
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What I am saying is that your lament about pro lifers misunderstanding is not limited to them, it is a common attitude among all people.
Everyone accuses others of not understanding them.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Actually, abortions because of disability are very common.

Why does the medical profession screen for things like Down’s Syndrome or Dwarfism? It is so these with severe fetal abnormalities can be aborted.
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I wasn’t thinking of the number of abortions of people with disabilities but the number of abortions due to disability as compared to the total number of abortions.
Padres1969 said:
Cut open the mother when unnecessary?
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If there is a chance the baby is alive a C Section should be the way to go.

I don’t know how anyone can advocate for partial birth abortion.
 
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