Would Protestants still hate us if

[Glad2behome]

Hello, Glad2behome here. I just wanted to ask my fellow Roman Catholics that if it weren’t for the issues of abortion and same-sex marriage, would some protestants that hated us before Roe V Wade still hate us.

Don’t be mistaken, I am staunchly pro-life and I strongly believe that Marriage was created by God for one Man and one Woman. And I don’t see anything wrong with Christians uniting together for defeating the evil of abortion and the threat to Marriage. But, the video I linked is more common than you think my fellow Catholic brothers and sisters,…a lot more common.

After the first couple of years after I left the church, I went to many Pentecostal churches, both Trinitarian and “Oneness”. Both of them called our Holy Father, The Pope the “Antichrist”,and the usual Anti-Catholic “stuff” that comes from Protestants.

Would love to hear your thoughts-
Glad2behome

Anti-Catholic hate from other “Christians”
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[runningdude]

Well, the Anti-Christ wouldn’t staunchly call on society to stop murdering unborn children.

I think it is safe to say that the Protestants we are now partnering with have simply learned that their previous beliefs regarding the Pope as such were incorrect.

 

[chaela_may]

glad2behome:

i don’t think it would make any difference. their entire identity is based on the assumption that a protestant religion is better than the religion(s) that it seperated from, including the catholic church. the issue of hate that some protestants feel toward catholicism is rooted in the fact that they have a need to prove the church wrong in order to prove themselves right because their religions didn’t exist before a few hundred years ago, so they weren’t founded by Christ. the only justification, rationally, is to say that, somehow, Christ’s original church failed and they’re just picking up where He left off. of course, this is the same as saying that Christ failed, so many of them drown that out with cries of hatred. others rationalize it. still others just exist without questioning what they’ve been told. it makes no difference. they’re protestant because they’re christian, but they’re not catholic (or orthodox, but somehow no one mentions them in these conversations) and a protestant can agree to live and let live with other protestant denominations, but to accept that catholicism might be equally valid brings to the forefront of whether protestantism is wrong. that’s not a comfortable place for a protestant to be.

 

[AbideWithMe]

I think it is safe to say that the Protestants we are now partnering with have simply learned that their previous beliefs regarding the Pope as such were incorrect.

Yes, I’d agree with this assessment. I think the pro-life movement has helped a great deal in that by working together, Catholics and Protestants have been getting to know each other better as real people, with less demonization of the each other’s religion. And then in that ecumenical cooperation leading into some grass-roots dialogue, Protestants have had more of their misunderstandings about Catholicism cleared up.

Of course, there are considerable exceptions to this greater understanding among Protestants, but then it cuts both ways with some Catholic misconceptions about Protestants, as well.

And then there are people on both sides who just strike me as die-hard witch hunters or paranoids.

 

[AbideWithMe]

glad2behome:

i don’t think it would make any difference. their entire identity is based on the assumption that a protestant religion is better than the religion(s) that it seperated from, including the catholic church.

Well, no, not really…that isn’t the basis of our entire identity. I think, at worst, each of the three major groups —Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant—has its own strengths and weaknesses. I don’t think Protestantism is better than Catholicism or Orthodoxy.

 

[Robert_Caritas]

Personally I am mystified by many of the Protestant religions. Dogma’s like Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide make very little sense to me in my readings of the Gospels.

I feel very close to the Orthodox tradition, somewhat to the Episcopalians and others who have kept ancient traditions (especially the Eucharist), but I often look at Baptist or Evangelical churches in puzzlement. Though I feel joy in that we all pray to Christ – some of the things that I have seen make me wonder if they are truly trying to follow his commandments (fixation of the Book of Revelations, Sola Fide, fixation on creationism…).

Maybe I should get to know some our (somewhat distant) relatives in Christ better.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Well, no, not really…that isn’t the basis of our entire identity. I think, at worst, each of the three major groups —Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant—has its own strengths and weaknesses. I don’t think Protestantism is better than Catholicism or Orthodoxy.

The protestants i know dont hate Catholics. They seem to see it as just another denomination and don’t seem to be aware of the fracturing of the denominations… But it is also worth noting that the Catholics I know don’t necessarily adopt all the positions that the Catholic church has taken. Somsome Catholics I know have no opposition to homosexual marriage.

Pardon my mistakes. Sent from my mobile device.

 

[SaintPatrick333]

Well, the Anti-Christ wouldn’t staunchly call on society to stop murdering unborn children.

I think it is safe to say that the Protestants we are now partnering with have simply learned that their previous beliefs regarding the Pope as such were incorrect.

Catholics were right? Surprise surprise

 

[benjohnson]

We’ll…if you Catholics change your mind about abortion and marriage, only then will I “hate.”

As it is now, your principaled stance on both these issues act as a light to a world that seems to be losing it’s way.

If it helps, remember the truth isn’t a popularity contest.

 

[Robert_Caritas]

We’ll…if you Catholics change your mind about abortion and marriage, only then will I “hate.”

As it is now, your principaled stance on both these issues act as a light to a world that seems to be losing it’s way.

If it helps, remember the truth isn’t a popularity contest.

Ben, can ask you, as a Lutheran, how do you see other more innovative protestant denominations that refuse most ancient traditions (like the Baptists and Evangelicals)? Your religions seem very different to me.

I am curious about the label “protestant.” It seems to be a very very wide umbrella.

In Christ!

Robert

 

[benjohnson]

Ben, can ask you, as a Lutheran, how do you see other more innovative protestant denominations that refuse most ancient traditions (like the Baptists and Evangelicals)? Your religions seem very different to me.

I am curious about the label “protestant.” It seems to be a very very wide umbrella.

In Christ!

Robert

We Lutherans like to think of ourselves as a valid continuation of the western church - we were at one point Catholic without the Roman pontiff, so you can imagine that our views about about modern protestant churches are similar to yours. If anything, we sometimes get rather peeved that they ruined the word ‘evanglical’ and ‘reformed’ and made them suspect, and some of them sole “bible alone” without understaning that Lutherans place a high value on Tradition.

For me, it’s helpful to remember that a lot of our more distant American protestant friends came from grinding poverty - if you could imagine being a poor christian in a desolate 1700’s town with only a tattered bible and no pastor, bishop or catherdal for a hundred miles, you can begin to imagine the abuses that could happen. Frankly, we should give thanks to God that they are as close to us as they are.

I also have trouble outright rejecting them - I have a good friend who is Baptist, and I have trouble imagining him coming to Christ by any other way.

 

[Robert_Caritas]

We Lutherans like to think of ourselves as a valid continuation of the western church - we were at one point Catholic without the Roman pontiff, so you can imagine that our views about about modern protestant churches are similar to yours. If anything, we sometimes get rather peeved that they ruined the word ‘evanglical’ and ‘reformed’ and made them suspect, and some of them sole “bible alone” without understaning that Lutherans place a high value on Tradition.

For me, it’s helpful to remember that a lot of our more distant American protestant friends came from grinding poverty - if you could imagine being a poor christian in a desolate 1700’s town with only a tattered bible and no pastor, bishop or catherdal for a hundred miles, you can begin to imagine the abuses that could happen. Frankly, we should give thanks to God that they are as close to us as they are.

I also have trouble outright rejecting them - I have a good friend who is Baptist, and I have trouble imagining him coming to Christ by any other way.

Thanks for this insight! It has helped clear up a few things, especially the bit about the historical context.

 

[DonMack]

If we ‘catholics’ had always acted as ‘Christians’, there would not have been any protest-ants. Gandhi said that if Christians were like Christ, all of India would be Christians

 

[chaela_may]

chaela_may;9917474:

glad2behome:

i don’t think it would make any difference. their entire identity is based on the assumption that a protestant religion is better than the religion(s) that it seperated from, including the catholic church.

Well, no, not really…that isn’t the basis of our entire identity. I think, at worst, each of the three major groups —Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant—has its own strengths and weaknesses. I don’t think Protestantism is better than Catholicism or Orthodoxy.

the thing is, they’re not equal or interchangeable at all. catholicism and orthodoxy can each claim ancient roots to Christ Himself, but protestantism can’t. only by saying that the previous church(es) failed can a protestant justify innovating Christ’s church. doing so is tantamount to saying that Christ failed, even by extension, but that is the justification that protestants use.

if you really don’t think that any category is better than another, then what decides what kind of christian you are?

(sorry to be getting back to you so late, i only just realized that you addressed my comment.)

If we ‘catholics’ had always acted as ‘Christians’, there would not have been any protest-ants. Gandhi said that if Christians were like Christ, all of India would be Christians

amen to that! they will know that we are christians by our love and whatnot.

 

[cap76]

our views about about modern protestant churches are similar to yours. If anything, we sometimes get rather peeved that they ruined the word ‘evanglical’ and ‘reformed’ and made them suspect, and some of them sole “bible alone” without understaning that Lutherans place a high value on Tradition.

Unfortunately many protestants today are only, ‘so-called’. Out of desperation to see ‘conversions’, they get away from the five ‘solas’ that revived the Gospel. The tragic consequence puts man back into the saddle of his own redemption. An utter perversion of the reformed faith.