Would Synod document open path for Protestants to receive Communion regularly? [CC]

[KathleenGee]

I pray for our unity to be resolved…and also the need for flexibility.

There is also the issue of how deep of faith in the Eucharist…my one hesitation was seeing the disposal of bread and wine into the dirt right next to the front door of the Lutheran church, this a Missouri Synod branch.

 

[Padres1969]

I pray for our unity to be resolved…and also the need for flexibility.

There is also the issue of how deep of faith in the Eucharist…my one hesitation was seeing the disposal of bread and wine into the dirt right next to the front door of the Lutheran church, this a Missouri Synod branch.

That brings up a question I’ve had for a long time but never asked or had answered. What if any is the proper disposal method for the body (host/bread) should it not be consumed before it spoils (if it indeed does spoil) in the Catholic Church.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

That brings up a question I’ve had for a long time but never asked or had answered. What if any is the proper disposal method for the body (host/bread) should it not be consumed before it spoils (if it indeed does spoil) in the Catholic Church.

The consecrated host is dissolved in a container of water. Once the presence is negated by this process (i.e. when the host has dissolved), the remnants are placed in the sacrarium, which leads directly to the earth underneath the church/chapel.

This procedure is more likely to happen involving communion for the sick, however, than because of the corruption of the species in the tabernacle. There are norms about how often, as priests, we must renew the reserved sacrament. Unfortunately, though, a patient’s condition can cause him or her to unexpectedly and unwillingly reject the host before it has dissolved – and that has to be dealt with…

 

[Trad_Catholic27]

Never the Church cannot allow protestants who deny the true of teaching on transubstation to be given Our Lord in Holy Communion.

Not until they accept the Holy Papacy and all the teachings of Holy Mother Church

 

[PJM]

=Don Ruggero;13429239]No, It is not “some of the Eastern Churches.” It is ALL of the Eastern Churches not in communion with Rome AND ALL THE CHURCHES JUDGED BY THE HOLY SEE TO BE IN EQUIVALENT CIRCUMSTANCE.

Your reading of the canon is too narrow…

ANY communicant of one of the venerable Churches of the East not in communion with Rome, and those who are judged equivalent to them by the Holy See, may ALWAYS AND FOR ANY REASON OR OCCASION licitly receive the Eucharist, Penance and Anointing of the Sick administered by a Catholic minister., if properly disposed

Said another way: For the East not in communion with Rome and those equivalent, there are NO special conditions required, aside from being properly disposed and asking it of their own volition. It does not have to be a special occasion. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS APPROACH THE MINISTER for the sacraments and we are to give the sacrament to them. Please do not make the norms stricter than they are Again, the plain language of the canon is perfectly straight forward:

Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

Now, the following paragraph of the canon treats those who do not fall under this rubric (such as the Anglicans, the Lutherans and other Christians who believe in the real presence, absolution of sins and anointing for the sick but are judged to lack apostolic succession). Then there are special provisions – but even then, Penance, Eucharist and the Sacrament of the Sick may licitly and rightly be given to these non Catholics when those conditions are met. I have done this on many occasions across the decades – when those asking fulfill what the canon requires: that they believe what a Catholic believes about the respective sacrament, are properly disposed and provided the situation accords with what the bishop has directed in compliance with the canon.

Here the guidance of the bishop, either the diocesan bishop, or at least the conference of bishops, is essential – apart from the circumstance of the danger of death when it may always be done, provided there is a Catholic faith in the sacrament being requested. Once the guidance is issued, it is to be faithfully implemented by the clergy. The Canon says.

If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed.

THANKS Don, I agree with you

Continued Blessings,

Patrick

 

[KathleenGee]

Thanks, Don, for answering proper disposal of the Eucharist.

I think our practices indicate as well how deeply and thoroughly we believe in the Eucharist as truly the Bread of Life…and as Cardinal Manning said in the last century…‘Do not treat God uncommonly.’

 

[GKC]

Thanks, Don, for answering proper disposal of the Eucharist.

I think our practices indicate as well how deeply and thoroughly we believe in the Eucharist as truly the Bread of Life…and as Cardinal Manning said in the last century…‘Do not treat God uncommonly.’

Indeed.

And such are the practices followed in my parish.

 

[Starwarsfan2]

I pray for our unity to be resolved…and also the need for flexibility.

There is also the issue of how deep of faith in the Eucharist…my one hesitation was seeing the disposal of bread and wine into the dirt right next to the front door of the Lutheran church, this a Missouri Synod branch.

They did wat

 

[PJM]

=Starwarsfan2;13435588]They did wat

While that Lutheran practice of disposal seemed socking; it was nevertheless not a sacrilege.

Lutherans do not have have the charism .to make Christ “Really, Truly and Substantially present” as a result of the Schism- reformation. They forfeited this gift of the Holy Spirit.

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[KathleenGee]

One can go to the last chapter of Moses’ life…where he draws on the ancient practice of laying on of hands…

Moses laid hands on Joshua…to take his place.

In my ecumenicism class with the bishop who attended Vatican II and a participant regarding ecumenism…he said the other issue was no transmission of faith/office in the laying on of hands by the bishop.

And if I hadn’t shared this here, …I attended this installation with our archbishop. He had other local bishops present. He said they all wonder who was the apostle who laid hands…that down through the ages reached each one of them. Very interesting…and likewise, he noted as well…he wasn’t sure he would find out in the next life…we have to pray for the bishops, too.

The Anglicans are so close to the Catholics. And I saw an Anglican priest who kept reflecting on his ministry stating that he wished to make definitive statements but could not, and then in time saw himself in schism.

And so…the Anglican priest became Catholic, receiving the laying on of hands by the bishop, and now could teach definitively.

 

[PJM]

=KathleenGee;13437109]One can go to the last chapter of Moses’ life…where he draws on the ancient practice of laying on of hands…

Moses laid hands on Joshua…to take his place.

In my ecumenicism class with the bishop who attended Vatican II and a participant regarding ecumenism…he said the other issue was no transmission of faith/office in the laying on of hands by the bishop.

And if I hadn’t shared this here, …I attended this installation with our archbishop. He had other local bishops present. He said they all wonder who was the apostle who laid hands…that down through the ages reached each one of them. Very interesting…and likewise, he noted as well…he wasn’t sure he would find out in the next life…we have to pray for the bishops, too.

The Anglicans are so close to the Catholics. And I saw an Anglican priest who kept reflecting on his ministry stating that he wished to make definitive statements but could not, and then in time saw himself in schism.

And so…the Anglican priest became Catholic, receiving the laying on of hands by the bishop, and now could teach definitively.

Thank you so much!

God Bless you,

Patrick