Would this be considered Masturbation / Mortal Sin?

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This question is directed toward my brothers in Christ. It’s of sexual nature, so I believe it is best if the ladies of the forum do not read it.



A previous night, I found myself aroused while lying in bed.

I discovered while lying very still, without any physical stimulation, I could become more aroused. It wasn’t that I was thinking about anything either. I then found it was very pleasing to remain still, sort of as a means of sustaining this feeling.

In short, I derived sexual pleasure by remaining very still with an erection–in contrast to getting up and maybe trying to walk or something, which part of me thought I should do.

I feel this was a sin, but I don’t know if it was a mortal sin. Given the circumstances presented to me, I was definitely choosing to sustain a feeling of sexual pleasure, but I never touched myself, nor ejaculated at all.
 
This question is directed toward my brothers in Christ. It’s of sexual nature, so I believe it is best if the ladies of the forum do not read it.



A previous night, I found myself aroused while lying in bed.

I discovered while lying very still, without any physical stimulation, I could become more aroused. It wasn’t that I was thinking about anything either. I then found it was very pleasing to remain still, sort of as a means of sustaining this feeling.

In short, I derived sexual pleasure by remaining very still with an erection–in contrast to getting up and maybe trying to walk or something, which part of me thought I should do.

I feel this was a sin, but I don’t know if it was a mortal sin. Given the circumstances presented to me, I was definitely choosing to sustain a feeling of sexual pleasure, but I never touched myself, nor ejaculated at all.
Sounds like Lust to me.

Offenses against chastity

CCC 2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

CCC 2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”
 
Hi there
I have been told by a few confessors that you can’t really consider something a mortal sin unless it is fully informed and premeditated with full understanding of its repercussions. I have found myself in similar situations to this one in the past. If it’s something that you’ve never even considered before I can’t see how it is a mortal sin. However it is a sin to intentionally sexually gratify one’s self outside of conjugal sexual relations with one’s spouse. So what you describe would be a sin but not a mortal sin. The Catechism has a section that explains what factors can limit the gravity of a sin but I can’t recall where it is. If I were you I wouldn’t sweat over what I did, I would just do my best to avoid doing it again.
 
Jesus,our Lords peace be whit You.
I would say it is a border-line sin. I still advice You to,if it happens again to try think of something else,even knowing it is hard.
I am no saint,and will never be,and I think everyone in this forum has something like this,or even a bit longer gone “thing” to confess,atleast I have,and I do hope I would be the only one.
Sexual feelings,lets call them so,are something we are born whit,aswells as get plesure by it,in a marriege it is OK,but “outside” it is a big “no”. I have never,and I confess that I have a call to priesthood,but got married and then divorsed"during theese 16 years of living outside marriege,and relationships,witch would be to me of no use since I cant marrie again,and because of my call,I don’t want to marrie or have any relatisonship wich is moore then just a friend,have done the “thing”,and felt bad every time,so by beeing strong against myself I have overcome this urge,simply by start praying every time I feel the need to sexual plesure. It works for me,so why not give it a try. And to be absolutely honest I don’t always understand why it is a sin,even having doubts,I must,as a christian and catholic,obey the Church,wich is Christs body on earth. We don’t always understand why something is sin or wrong,but we need not,when we a confused,prayer helps,and what we don’t understand is something we must live whit. We do sin,but as long as we feel bad after it,its OK,that way we know what is wrong or not. There is so much we don’t understand,and still we don’t see the solution,all we need is to do as Jesus told us to,and obey what the Church tell us to. Someone may have another wiew of it,and thats OK to,because as I so often say,in the end all that matters is faith.
 
Thank you all for all the wonderful responses. I have some more information which I should have mentioned before, which only leads to more confusion for me.

I had a similar situation to this a time before. However, in this situation, I maintained the erection up until ejaculation. I explained it in its entirety to a priest, and he said it wasn’t a sin to ejaculate since it was by accident, and he didn’t reference the events prior as anything. He thought as a whole I was being very scrupulous. This confuses me because this recent situation was much less than that, even if the recent situation was a second go at more or less the same thing.

It’s hard to explain here because it was a really ambiguous situation. Part of me thought it was wrong, part of me thought I should just let it take its course because it would be unhealthy to stop it. I was praying through it, on and off. Part of me feels as though I didn’t take the necessary preventive means to stop it sooner because I felt justified since I was praying and all… I don’t know.
 
This question is directed toward my brothers in Christ. It’s of sexual nature, so I believe it is best if the ladies of the forum do not read it.



A previous night, I found myself aroused while lying in bed.

I discovered while lying very still, without any physical stimulation, I could become more aroused. It wasn’t that I was thinking about anything either. I then found it was very pleasing to remain still, sort of as a means of sustaining this feeling.

In short, I derived sexual pleasure by remaining very still with an erection–in contrast to getting up and maybe trying to walk or something, which part of me thought I should do.

I feel this was a sin, but I don’t know if it was a mortal sin. Given the circumstances presented to me, I was definitely choosing to sustain a feeling of sexual pleasure, but I never touched myself, nor ejaculated at all.
maybe you would be more comfortable discussing this type of stuff here

it is the impurity addiction support group
 
My main concern is whether or not I mortally sinned.

Is it as ambiguous to everyone else as it seems to me? Does anyone feel strongly in one direction–venial or mortal–about it, from what I’ve said?
 
It looks like you’ve received conflicting answers. I don’t know the answer, but I will find it for you for sure. I posted a somewhat similar question here.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=503385

Whatever answer I get, it will probably apply to your question as well, so please follow my thread, and I will follow yours. Let’s get through this together.

If you follow my thread, you will eventually see a definite answer. I am going to fight with my last dying breath for a satisfactory answer to my question, and I am prepared for a very heated debate. So stay tuned.

I will pray for you tonight.
 
This question is directed toward my brothers in Christ. It’s of sexual nature, so I believe it is best if the ladies of the forum do not read it.



A previous night, I found myself aroused while lying in bed.

I discovered while lying very still, without any physical stimulation, I could become more aroused. It wasn’t that I was thinking about anything either. I then found it was very pleasing to remain still, sort of as a means of sustaining this feeling.

In short, I derived sexual pleasure by remaining very still with an erection–in contrast to getting up and maybe trying to walk or something, which part of me thought I should do.

I feel this was a sin, but I don’t know if it was a mortal sin. Given the circumstances presented to me, I was definitely choosing to sustain a feeling of sexual pleasure, but I never touched myself, nor ejaculated at all.
My opinion on this is it was no sin at all. So you enjoyed an erection? So what? You weren’t even thinking of something sexual.

To me though, you sound scrupulous. I would advise you to watch that so your scrupulousness so you don’t become so tortured by what is a sin and what isn’t that you give up on your faith.

Just relax man. 👍
 
My opinion on this is it was no sin at all. So you enjoyed an erection? So what? You weren’t even thinking of something sexual.

To me though, you sound scrupulous. I would advise you to watch that so your scrupulousness so you don’t become so tortured by what is a sin and what isn’t that you give up on your faith.

Just relax man. 👍
I hold the same opinion. What NeoSeraphim posted happens to me like once a week. For all my life it never occurred to me that something this small might be a sin. But there are all sorts of people with all sorts of Catholic knowledge on this site who think that Church teaching condemns things like this, and it’s really scaring me. I’m really worried that they might be right.
 
I hold the same opinion. What NeoSeraphim posted happens to me like once a week. For all my life it never occurred to me that something this small might be a sin. But there are all sorts of people with all sorts of Catholic knowledge on this site who think that Church teaching condemns things like this, and it’s really scaring me. I’m really worried that they might be right.
I can only give you my opinion, the same way anyone else can. Remember no one can be 100% certain of anything. We’re not God.

You have to look at it this way, Hell is for those who are TRULY EVIL. DEMONICALLY EVIL. Laying on a bed, getting an erection, and enjoying it IS NOT EVIL. It’s NORMAL.

Guys all the time get spontaneous erections, I get many per day. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with just enjoying the feeling. To be totally honest, there is no way to NOT ENJOY it. People may be able to lie to themselves and say they’re not enjoying it or not “consenting” to it, but the truth is they are. It’s impossible to not enjoy an erection. It’s a feeling of pleasure that can’t be turned off. Just saying I don’t want this erection does not mean that you are not enjoying it on some level. Because if it is a pleasurable feeling, you are enjoying it.

Hope that helps man. 🙂
 
if you are genuinely unsure whether or not it was a mortal sin then… how could it be?

As for whether this is an objectively grave matter (something which could be a mortal sin if we know it is seriously wrong but fully commit to it anyway) I’m not sure. If you’re not actually manipulating yourself can we even call it masturbation?

Seems like it would be venial at most, judging from your vague feelings of wrongdoing.

Peace
 
NeoSeraphim, I have found the answer for you, as promised. As thistle pointed out, the Church defines “lust” as follows:
catholicreference.net/index.cfm?id=34672
This was not enough for me before, because I felt that an erection not caused by sex could not be called “sexual pleasure”. But then I was referred by Bookcat to the Church’s definition of “sexual pleasure”:
catholicreference.net/index.cfm?id=36447
By this definition, your action was sexual pleasure. And since you deliberately enjoyed it, your action was lust. Lust is one of the seven capital sins.
Therefore, it is indisputable that the action as you described it was a sin. Since you didn’t know this, it was a venial sin; but now that you know, next time it will be a mortal sin. Anyone who tells you otherwise either doesn’t know the Church’s teachings or is only giving you their personal opinion.
I’m sorry.
 
This question is directed toward my brothers in Christ. It’s of sexual nature, so I believe it is best if the ladies of the forum do not read it.



*A previous night, I found myself aroused while lying in bed.

I discovered while lying very still, without any physical stimulation, I could become more aroused. It wasn’t that I was thinking about anything either. I then found it was very pleasing to remain still, sort of as a means of sustaining this feeling.

In short, I derived sexual pleasure by remaining very still with an erection–in contrast to getting up and maybe trying to walk or something, which part of me thought I should do.

I feel this was a sin, but I don’t know if it was a mortal sin. Given the circumstances presented to me, I was definitely choosing to sustain a feeling of sexual pleasure, but I never touched myself, nor ejaculated at all.*
Were you half-asleep during this episode? Were you exhausted or anxious? If so then by definition the act could not be mortal. Go to a priest if if makes you feel better. But don’t worry about it.
 
sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Both men and women.
That’s what murderers, rapists, and robbers say too. They gotta do what they gotta do to get money or to satisfy whatever passion they have. Just because you feel like you gotta do something, does not make it okay to do it.

Sometimes you gotta give up what you think you gotta do as a sacrifice to God. If God created your body, then he knows what your body needs. God gave us bodies that are capable of surviving without satisfying the overwhelming sexual urges that we have. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have commanded us to do something impossible. We have to trust in God’s creation and do with our bodies what he says to.

Consider the following story:

“And a great multitude followed him, because they saw the miracles which he did on them that were diseased. Jesus therefore went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. Now the pasch, the festival day of the Jews, was near at hand. When Jesus therefore had lifted up his eyes, and seen that a very great multitude cometh to him, he said to Philip: Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat? And this he said to try him; for he himself knew what he would do. Philip answered him: Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one may take a little. One of his disciples, Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, saith to him: There is a boy here that hath five barley loaves, and two fishes; but what are these among so many? Then Jesus said: Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. The men therefore sat down, in number about five thousand. And Jesus took the loaves: and when he had given thanks, he distributed to them that were set down. In like manner also of the fishes, as much as they would . . . [until] they were filled.” (John 6:2-12)

What a foolish thing it was for these people to follow Jesus miles into the wilderness without food, where they knew they would starve. The sensible thing would have been to stay home. But they went anyways. And Jesus fed them.

When you have a desire to masturbate, don’t do the sensible thing and give yourself what you crave. Instead, follow Jesus, even if you can’t see how you will survive. And when the craving continues, keep ignoring it. God will feed you.
 
… don’t do the sensible thing and give yourself what you crave. Instead, follow Jesus, even if you can’t see how you will survive. And when the craving continues, keep ignoring it. God will feed you.
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VERY nice connection!

Praying for us all,
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Pretty much, to commit a mortal sin, one must be positively SURE and positively BELIEVE that what he is doing is mortally wrong, and he must positively KNOW that he is committing a mortal sin. And then basically say, I positively KNOW this act is a mortal sin, but I don’t care, so I am going to do it anyway. If he believes that what he is doing is NOT mortally sinful, or if he is not SURE whether or not it is mortally sinful, then NO mortal sin can be committed.

The Catholic Church says that if you are unsure of whether or not you have committed a mortal sin, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE NOT COMMITTED A MORTAL SIN. Mortal sins leave no room for uncertainty and must be deliberate. The Catholic Church defines such uncertain acts as ‘Doubtful Sins’, and the Church does not require them to be confessed, since they are not Mortal Sins.

Masturbation
Overcoming the Masturbation Habit

couragerc.net/PIPMasturbation.html

Morality of Masturbatory Activity

Father Farraher also points out that sexual stimulation by a married couple is morally licit if it leads to natural vaginal intercourse or completes the marital act.'2 Farraher is very exact about what constitutes grave malice in masturbation when he writes: "for a person to be formally guilty of a mortal sin of masturbation his act must be a fully deliberate choice of what he fully realizes is seriously sinful."13 If such an act is done with only partial realization, or partial consent of the will, it is a venial sin; and “if there is no free choice of the will there is no guilt of sin at all even if the person is aware of what he is doing.”'4 Farraher goes on to point out that there is no sin even when a person foresees that sexual stimulation and orgasm will result from some action that the person is freely performing, provided that he does not intend such stimulation, but merely permits it, and that he has a sufficiently good reason for doing it. (This is simply an application of the principle of the twofold effect.)'5

Farraher corrects the misunderstanding that many Catholics have that if they experience sexual stimulation, however unwillingly, they have committed mortal sin.16

Distinction between Past Behavior and the Present

There is a little freedom, but hardly sufficient to constitute serious guilt. This is even more true when persons struggle against this impulse when they are trying to sleep at night, or are surprised by temptation in the middle of the night or upon awakening. Farraher comments at length on these situations in which the individual who has resisted the temptation to masturbate during waking hours is sometimes overwhelmed with sexual fantasies as he tries to go to sleep, or upon awakening in the morning. As long as the person makes a real effort to turn his mind away, he commits no sin even if orgasm occurs. If he is uncertain whether he really tried hard enough to get rid of fantasy, he may settle the doubt in favor of his innocence. According to traditional norms of moral theology one may presume that his intention during waking hours was also present in the moment of nocturnal temptation. Confessors and spiritual guides should reassure guilt-ridden persons who feel that since they were awake at the time of orgasm they are guilty of sin that they have not sinned inasmuch as the masturbation is presumed to be involuntary. "To tell him that he can avoid even these involuntary experiences if he tries hard enough and uses supernatural means can cause severe anxiety and even despair since he may not be able to avoid what is really involuntary."31

Guilt and Shame in All Forms of Masturbation

So, likewise, in the question of masturbation many persons torture themselves needlessly. I refer primarily to good living people whose only “sin” is masturbation. The spiritual counselor or confessor who knows the struggles that these persons have had tries to make it clear that there has been no free consent to the impulse to masturbate.

There is no grievous sin if a person masturbates while lacking in awareness, as when he is half awake, or half asleep, or when a person is carried away by sudden passion and finds himself committing the act despite the resistance of the will. This is one of the effects of original sin, that human passions tend to overcome the acts of the will (Rom. 7: l~2O). An individual may agree with this reasoning, and yet in his heart feel guilty of masturbation, because he will say to himself, “If I had tried harder I would not have had the fantasies, I should be able to get rid of all my impure thoughts.”

The trouble with this feeling of guilt is that it presupposes that we humans have perfect control over our passions not only over lust, but also over avarice, anger, and other disordered emotions. We know that we have no such control. The person involved in masturbation, however, needs to believe that with God’s grace he can overcome the habit of masturbation.

From JAW642 on 12/07/2010

 

Pretty much, to commit a mortal sin, one must be positively SURE and positively BELIEVE that what he is doing is mortally wrong, and he must positively KNOW that he is committing a mortal sin. And then basically say, I positively KNOW this act is a mortal sin, but I don’t care, so I am going to do it anyway. If he believes that what he is doing is NOT mortally sinful, or if he is not SURE whether or not it is mortally sinful, then NO mortal sin can be committed.

The Catholic Church says that if you are unsure of whether or not you have committed a mortal sin, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE NOT COMMITTED A MORTAL SIN. Mortal sins leave no room for uncertainty and must be deliberate. The Catholic Church defines such uncertain acts as ‘Doubtful Sins’, and the Church does not require them to be confessed, since they are not Mortal Sins.
While this is true, my priest told me that it is possible to be guilty of “culpible ignorance”. If you neglect to study your catechism to learn what things are a grievous matter, knowing full well that you might be committing grievous matters without knowing it, this can be a mortal sin since you consented not to study your catechism.
 
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