Would this marriage be valid?

[Irishmom2]

OP, do you see now why a priest would be the best person to ask?

 

[Titivillus]

Thank you,
but I don’t understand how a marriage could be considered valid if God had no part in it since it was a non-religious service and had no mention of God, or anything to do with his covenant or the Church.

God has a part in it.

God is the author of marriage.

The institution of marriage precedes not only the Church but also the state.

 

[shanishani7]

In my opinions, Catholic is required to have marriage in His True Church because God Jesus wish baptised catholics/ christians have a right to receive the blessings and graces from Him, under the witness of God. All sacraments have blessings and graces. So in the eyes of God, one marriage is forever, and divorce is not allowed. Even you divorce on earth and marry another one, you have sinned adultery in the eyes of God. For marriage sacrament, God will bless and give you graces in your marriage life, this includes harmony family, love, children, health… etc… because God is the one who gives Life, and everything is under the control of God.
My relatives are all catholics and all had healthy children, so they are large family… I think this is one of the graces in Marriage Sacrament in the True Church.

So we cannot say valid or not valid, on earth it is valid but in Church (body of Christ) it is not valid. Things in the eyes of man are always different from those in the eyes of God.

I suggest you arrange Marriage inside Catholic Church once again. My parents got married not in church at first, but arranged a marriage in Catholic Church again later. (My mum is Catholic, dad was atheist.) But dad got baptised as Catholic just before he gone(deathbed conversion). I believed it is one of the Graces given by God.

 

[ncfddm]

Because of the power of binding and loosening given to St. Peter, and the fact that Canon Law says that a baptized Catholic must be married in the Catholic Church or else have dispensation, the marriage would be considered invalid. The couple could have it validated, but as it stands their marriage is not considered valid because the Catholic party acted outside of Canon Law.

 

[Gorgias]

Because of the fact that Canon Law says that a baptized Catholic must be married in the Catholic Church or else have dispensation, the marriage would be considered invalid.

Christina,

Please note that the OP has not addressed the question of whether there was a dispensation, and therefore we have no idea whether the marriage in question is valid or not.

(In fact, given the fact that the OP has said that he doesn’t understand how a wedding that was not held in a church could possibly be valid, it’s not unreasonable to suggest that, perhaps, the issue here is that a dispensation has been given, and therefore, the marriage is valid, but that Samuel is having a difficult time understanding how this could be so. However, we just don’t know. )

 

[ncfddm]

At face value of the original post, the answer would be no, it isn’t valid. I addressed other possible factors and the fact that Canon Law says it wouldn’t be valid. Is there anything wrong with that?

 

[Gorgias]

At face value of the original post, the answer would be no, it isn’t valid.

That’s because the OP didn’t discuss all the salient issues.

Is there anything wrong with that?

Reaching a conclusion before being in possession of all the facts? Yeah, where I come from, that’s not kosher.

 

[dochawk]

Imagine that you are a dual citizen of both your home country AND of Hawkinizonia.

Whee!

I’ve become a king!

 

[ncfddm]

Looking back at the other posts, there are others that answered similar to me, but mine is the only one you picked on. Why?

 

[Gorgias]

Looking back at the other posts, there are others that answered similar to me, but mine is the only one you picked on. Why?

Clearly, I decided to single you out for criticism.

Or… maybe, just maybe… you continued to express a notion that had been refuted again… and again… and again … in this thread. And no one had responded to your post. So, maybe I just thought there was value in noting that the notion you presented – which others had presented, and which had been corrected by other posters, including myself – was incorrect.

In other words: don’t take it personally. Wrong is wrong.

 

[ncfddm]

Wow, proud much? I didn’t present anything that was incorrect.

 

[Gorgias]

Wow, proud much? I didn’t present anything that was incorrect.

No, just ‘right much’.

What you presented was a conclusion that is premature. Pride seems to run in spades around these fora, I guess…

 

[ncfddm]

A Catholic cannot enter into a valid marriage if it is done outside and civily. That is a basic church teaching. There is also the condition that is one gets a dispensation for it, then it would be valid. So, I addressed the question itself and also gave the possibility that if it were the case, though we don’t now, then there is an option that would make an otherwise invalid marriage valid.

 

[otjm]

The suggestion has been made, and I will repeat it: thrre are too many possible factors which could enter into the discussion, the vast majority of which are unknown to people answering posts concerning the validity of a specific marriage - and possibly the individual posting the question.

So, within the narrow question the OP posited, you may have addressed the single question of a Catholic entering a marriage outside the norm (that is, witnessed by a priest or deacon). There may be, however, underlying issues which the OP did not bring up - or may not even know - which would indicate a far more complex problem, or no problem at all.

Deacon Jeff noted two - a subsequent validation, or a radical sanation.

Let’s add a third: a prior marriage by one of the parties.

I agree with both Deacon Jeff and Gorgias that there is too little we know, for any of us to be giving answers to the OP.

 

[AnneMM]

If one of the parties is Catholic then they need to be married in the Catholic church. The Catholic Church considers marriage a sacrament, not just a legal tie.

 

[Gorgias]

A Catholic cannot enter into a valid marriage if it is done outside and civily. That is a basic church teaching. There is also the condition that is one gets a dispensation for it, then it would be valid. So, I addressed the question itself and also gave the possibility that if it were the case, though we don’t now

Which would be correct, if that were what you wrote, but that’s not what you wrote, so… whatever.