Would this mass count for Sunday?

[LaetenturCaeli]

I would hazard a guess that more people leave the Church because of this attitude from fellow Catholics than anything else.

Respectfully, I don’t see how someone who is a sincerely converted Catholic could abandon their faith because of experiencing rude or judgmental Catholics. Annoying people are small potatoes in the grand scheme of potential suffering.

I think being poorly catechized and growing up in a lukewarm household are certainly far more likely and powerful explanatory factors.

…perhaps followed closely by pursuing sinful behavior and extremely difficult suffering that has to be endured.

 

[Memaw]

Respectfully, I don’t see how someone who is a sincerely converted Catholic could abandon their faith because of experiencing rude or judgmental Catholics. Annoying people are small potatoes in the grand scheme of potential suffering.

I think being poorly catechized and growing up in a lukewarm household are certainly far more likely and powerful explanatory factors.

…perhaps followed closely by pursuing sinful behavior and extremely difficult suffering that has to be endured.

Amen and God Bless, Memaw

 

[Don_Ruggero]

I agree 100%. Seems the more they make it possible for Catholics to do the “easy” thing, the less they have respect for the Mass or the Holy Days or the fasting and abstinence. So now we have a slew of Cafeteria Catholics that make up their own rules and decide for themselves what they want to believe and what they don’t. I’m afraid that’s why many find it so easy to just walk away from the Catholic Faith. Many no longer believe in the TRUE presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. Almost everyone goes to Communion but the lines to Confession are very scant. We can’t all be Saints and funny how even the real Saints went to frequent Confession and loved and believed in all the Church teaches. God Bless, Memaw

Talk about condemning with a broad brush! My goodness.

At the beginning of this thread was a comment that was related from the retired bishop that the persons who had assisted at the Confirmation Mass on a Saturday afternoon had met their obligation for that Sunday. As Dan could also say, there is more than one way that could be so and, not having heard precisely the language he used and not knowing the particular norms of that diocese, I cannot say which of several premises His Excellency was invoking.

Certain people on this thread have proceeded to attempt to prove the bishop wrong, judge the bishop, second guess the bishop, condemn the bishop, and blame the attitude they see exhibited in the bishop’s action for a myriad of woes. I am, frankly, horrified and disgusted. These are anything but attitudes to be praised.

That said, the bishop did not say that people were forbidden to attend Mass again, either later that day or the next day. They could have spent the whole day on Sunday attending every Mass the parish celebrated, had they so wished.

The issue instead was: the bishop said those who had attended that Mass had fulfilled the Sunday Mass obligation, which binds seriously. These people had just attended a pontificated Mass…I seldom saw a Confirmation Mass go less than an hour and thirty minutes when I was Master of Ceremonies to my bishop…when we had many confirmandi, it could go two hours easily.

I am sure there were those present for whom attending another Mass would not constitute a great burden…or indeed any burden. But I was also a pastor well more than long enough to know that there are also those categories of people for whom it would be a real hardship…especially for young families, who would be just the sort to have a child being confirmed. There are many today who have intense lives and other challenges that life and the weekend confront them with beyond simply multiplying Mass attendance – to say nothing for the elderly who have to make special arrangement and take special effort to attend…to name but two groups.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

Respectfully, I don’t see how someone who is a sincerely converted Catholic could abandon their faith because of experiencing rude or judgmental Catholics. Annoying people are small potatoes in the grand scheme of potential suffering.

I think being poorly catechized and growing up in a lukewarm household are certainly far more likely and powerful explanatory factors.

…perhaps followed closely by pursuing sinful behavior and extremely difficult suffering that has to be endured.

As a priest, I have had to try to help people find healing and a return to the practice of the faith who were away from the Church for years over each of the issues you just named. Issues related to marriage or spouse being another major category that you did not name.

But I have contended with a vast number who left over the actions of one person…be it a priest, a religious, a parent, a family member, a bully, or various other categories the listing of which would turn this post into a litany. Those are, in many ways, the most difficult to resolve. They often enough involve a profound wound which can be difficult to overcome and bring healing to.

 

[LaetenturCaeli]

They often enough involve a profound wound which can be difficult to overcome and bring healing to.

I suppose we all need to keep this in mind, and to likewise keep in mind Christ’s warning against scandalizing His little ones.

 

[tee_eff_em]

I didn’t say they were!! I was just trying to explain why the Church says it is obligatory to receive Communion at least once a year. It used to be referred to as the Easter Duty.

I didn’t say I don’t understand the Easter Duty! I was just trying to point out that we have an obligation to assist at Mass on appointed days, but we do not have an obligation to receive the Eucharist on those days.



You, yourself lamented:

Many no longer believe in the TRUE presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. Almost everyone goes to Communion but the lines to Confession are very scant. We can’t all be Saints and funny how even the real Saints went to frequent Confession and loved and believed in all the Church teaches.

tee

 

[Memaw]

Talk about condemning with a broad brush! My goodness.

At the beginning of this thread was a comment that was related from the retired bishop that the persons who had assisted at the Confirmation Mass on a Saturday afternoon had met their obligation for that Sunday. As Dan could also say, there is more than one way that could be so and, not having heard precisely the language he used and not knowing the particular norms of that diocese, I cannot say which of several premises His Excellency was invoking.

Certain people on this thread have proceeded to attempt to prove the bishop wrong, judge the bishop, second guess the bishop, condemn the bishop, and blame the attitude they see exhibited in the bishop’s action for a myriad of woes. I am, frankly, horrified and disgusted. These are anything but attitudes to be praised.

That said, the bishop did not say that people were forbidden to attend Mass again, either later that day or the next day. They could have spent the whole day on Sunday attending every Mass the parish celebrated, had they so wished.

The issue instead was: the bishop said those who had attended that Mass had fulfilled the Sunday Mass obligation, which binds seriously. These people had just attended a pontificated Mass…I seldom saw a Confirmation Mass go less than an hour and thirty minutes when I was Master of Ceremonies to my bishop…when we had many confirmandi, it could go two hours easily.

I am sure there were those present for whom attending another Mass would not constitute a great burden…or indeed any burden. But I was also a pastor well more than long enough to know that there are also those categories of people for whom it would be a real hardship…especially for young families, who would be just the sort to have a child being confirmed. There are many today who have intense lives and other challenges that life and the weekend confront them with beyond simply multiplying Mass attendance – to say nothing for the elderly who have to make special arrangement and take special effort to attend…to name but two groups.

Sorry Father but seems your the one carrying the broad brush!! I am NOT condemning anyone. I just stated what I was told and what I was taught. I do believe on these threads we are allowed to state our beliefs.Common sense should tell us that if it is a real hardship on the elderly or the sick, that doesn’t cover everybody! “Intense lives and other challenges that life and the weekend confront us with” should NEVER interfere with our Sunday Obligation!. Nothing is more important than that!! I don’t believe anyone ever said the Bishop “forbid” anyone to attend another Mass. I surly wouldn’t consider attending Mass on Sat. and again on Sunday as “multiplying Mass attendance” Many people attend daily Mass, would you consider that multiplying Mass attendance too?? . God Bless, Memaw

 

[Don_Ruggero]

Sorry Father but seems your the one carrying the broad brush!! I am NOT condemning anyone. I just stated what I was told and what I was taught. I do believe on these threads we are allowed to state our beliefs.Common sense should tell us that if it is a real hardship on the elderly or the sick, that doesn’t cover everybody! “Intense lives and other challenges that life and the weekend confront us with” should NEVER interfere with our Sunday Obligation!. Nothing is more important than that!! I don’t believe anyone ever said the Bishop “forbid” anyone to attend another Mass. I surly wouldn’t consider attending Mass on Sat. and again on Sunday as “multiplying Mass attendance” Many people attend daily Mass, would you consider that multiplying Mass attendance too?? . God Bless, Memaw

You are completely incorrect. Of course there are obligations that surpass the obligation to attend Mass, as anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of either moral theology or canon law knows. That is why one is excused on various occasions from attending Mass.

The meaning of “multiplying” is expressed in its definition.

 

[DeanaM]

As a priest, I have had to try to help people find healing and a return to the practice of the faith who were away from the Church for years over each of the issues you just named. Issues related to marriage or spouse being another major category that you did not name.

But I have contended with a vast number who left over the actions of one person…be it a priest, a religious, a parent, a family member, a bully, or various other categories the listing of which would turn this post into a litany. Those are, in many ways, the most difficult to resolve. They often enough involve a profound wound which can be difficult to overcome and bring healing to.

Thank you, Father, for your presence on CAF. As I was received into the Church at Easter, your (name removed by moderator)ut on the forms has been most beneficial to this new Catholic.

 

[Exsultet]

Thank you, Father, for your presence on CAF.

I second this … and apologize for going off-topic.