Would you consent to being on a jury that will decide whether someone will live or die?

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Correct me if I am wrong, but the jury never decides if one is dying or not, even though if they are aware that the death penalty is on the table for a certain case. They just decide if the person is innocent or guilty, and it is the judge alone who decides what the sentence would be. The jury never sentences.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the jury never decides if one is dying or not, even though if they are aware that the death penalty is on the table for a certain case. They just decide if the person is innocent or guilty, and it is the judge alone who decides what the sentence would be. The jury never sentences.
First, no jury decides someone is innocent. They only decide guilty or not guilty. (Unless there is some extreme situation.)

For us, in PA, we would have made a “recommendation” to the judge if we had found the defendant guilty. At the time, the judge ALWAYS followed through on the recommendation.

So, if we had said, guilty/death penalty, the defendant would have been sentenced to death.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the jury never decides if one is dying or not, even though if they are aware that the death penalty is on the table for a certain case. They just decide if the person is innocent or guilty, and it is the judge alone who decides what the sentence would be. The jury never sentences.
the particulars vary from state to state. the jury will first decide guilt, then there’s a penalty phase. the jury will know that if it convicts, it will have to decide DP or life. the judge can set aside a DP recommendation, it cannot impose one if the jury decides life. this is a general description.

for your basic criminal case, the judge will decide the sentence within the range of the punishment statutes, based on recommendations from the defense, prosecution and a sentencing commission of some kind as to aggravating and mitigating factors.
 
First, no jury decides someone is innocent. They only decide guilty or not guilty. (Unless there is some extreme situation.)
Can you be not guilty but also not innocent? Aren’t they polar opposites?
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the jury never decides if one is dying or not, even though if they are aware that the death penalty is on the table for a certain case. They just decide if the person is innocent or guilty, and it is the judge alone who decides what the sentence would be. The jury never sentences.
In Texas the defendant has the right to choose whether the jury will set his/her punishment or the Judge. In a death penalty eligible case, the jury must assess the punishment – by that I mean, they answer the questions; and the way they answer the questions, dictates the sentence the Judge must impose.
 
I just read a news article about the Jodi Arias trial. I haven’t been following the story, but reading the article prompted the question. As a Catholic, would you consent to being on a jury that will decide whether someone will live or die?
Yes.
 
Can you be not guilty but also not innocent? Aren’t they polar opposites?
It’s not really guilty vs. innocent. It’s “did the state make a strong enough case?” Many times jurors fully believe someone is guilty, but because the case was not made beyond all reasonable doubt, they have to vote “not guilty.”

Proving someone innocent results in the suspect being freed and exonerated immediately (i.e. DNA evidence implicates another party or someone else confesses to the crime.)
 
The judge told me that the US presumes innocence and I said something along the lines of “I know and respect that, your honor, but I have to assume that the State has a reasonable reason to bring this case to trial. That automatically predisposes my to the belief that their is some level of doubt about the defendants innocence. In cases of violent crime I believe it is safest to assume guilt to keep violent criminals from skipping because the defense can sow seeds of doubt.” The judge then asked both councils if they had an objection to dismissing me before I could "further taint the jury.
When I go to Mass on Sunday, the first thing I’m going to do when I kneel is to thank God that you were not impaneled on that jury. The next thing I am going to do is ask for God’s intervention should you ever be summoned again.
 
As a Catholic, would you consent to being on a jury that will decide whether someone will live or die?
Never. In fact, I was on jury duty a few years ago, and was just called to fill out forms for federal jury duty. I told them I didn’t want to do it precisely for this reason,
 
I just read a news article about the Jodi Arias trial. I haven’t been following the story, but reading the article prompted the question. As a Catholic, would you consent to being on a jury that will decide whether someone will live or die? Personally, I’d have a lot of reservations about it.
‘Consenting’ is one thing, and I most certainly wouldn’t in this case. There isn’t a death penalty in our country for some time now, so that’s rather moot, but if given the choice, I wouldn’t want to be part of any team that has to decide on the fate (life and death) of another individual.

From my understanding with the judicial system here in Canada, when are ‘called for jury duty’ we have to attend unless there is a valid reason. Jury selection is just one stage. There’s also the screening process to determine things such as ‘biases’ and what not. It’s all about finding the right candidates that will maintain a fair and unprejudiced mindset.
 
I just read a news article about the Jodi Arias trial. I haven’t been following the story, but reading the article prompted the question. As a Catholic, would you consent to being on a jury that will decide whether someone will live or die? Personally, I’d have a lot of reservations about it.
I find the idea of killing another human being so abhorrent that I would not be able to give a fair vote if it meant the death penalty.
 
I find the idea of killing another human being so abhorrent that I would not be able to give a fair vote if it meant the death penalty.
The courts [or at least not the ones in the US] are not going to force someone to serve on a jury if it would go against their personal beliefs, religion and/or biases. If you’re honest and sincere about it, you’ll get dismissed every time.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the jury never decides if one is dying or not, even though if they are aware that the death penalty is on the table for a certain case. They just decide if the person is innocent or guilty, and it is the judge alone who decides what the sentence would be. The jury never sentences.
Not true. It depends upon the state - the murder jury I served on had 2 deliberation periods. One for the verdict, and one for the sentence.
 
Our prisons are more than adequate to keep us safe from 99.9999% of the criminals in this country.
I wish I could agree with that, but I can’t. There’re gangsters who can order hits from within prison walls; there’re violent criminals who will kill other inmates; there’re serial killers who can still intimidate people they have injured in the past; there’re gangs formed inside prison walls that spread out beyond the walls and wreak havoc on the general population; organized crime dons can train proteges who will do their bidding once they get out. The list goes on.

I really wish your quote were true, though.
 
I wish I could agree with that, but I can’t. There’re gangsters who can order hits from within prison walls; there’re violent criminals who will kill other inmates; there’re serial killers who can still intimidate people they have injured in the past; there’re gangs formed inside prison walls that spread out beyond the walls and wreak havoc on the general population; organized crime dons can train proteges who will do their bidding once they get out. The list goes on.

I really wish your quote were true, though.
Not to mention that there are prisoners that were originally sentence to death that had the sentences commuted to life without the possibility of parole because the death penalty was made illegal [or even just temporarily illegal] that are put up for parole… Not kidding. It has happened here in my state.
 
I wish I could agree with that, but I can’t. There’re gangsters who can order hits from within prison walls; there’re violent criminals who will kill other inmates; there’re serial killers who can still intimidate people they have injured in the past; there’re gangs formed inside prison walls that spread out beyond the walls and wreak havoc on the general population; organized crime dons can train proteges who will do their bidding once they get out. The list goes on.

I really wish your quote were true, though.
I just heard a story this past week about inmates who get access to smart phones and arrange hits inside and outside of prison. It happens a lot, according to the story.
 
that’s a truly astonishing thing to say. its about as unAmerican, backward and wrong as anything I’ve heard.
I’m fine with the unAmerican part. I don’t bleed red, white and blue and I think apple pie is one of the more disgusting things I’ve ever tasted. 😉

Think about when bail is set. Bail is partially set based on the charges, the presumed danger the person poses in addition to their flight risk. Isn’t it unAmerican to set bail at a million dollars for a suspected killer since we have to presume they are innocent? If every person is presumed innocent then the police should never be able to hold a suspect in custody.

If we had 3 options (guilty, not guilty, not proven) I would be more likely to serve. When a jury feels that the defendant is almost surely guilty, but they get off because of lack of evidence or mishandling of evidence that is a miscarriage of justice. Unfortunately when I first wanted to be a lawyer I learned that legality, morality, and justice have nothing to do with each other. Studying cases where people were executed and later found to be innocent as well as where defendants walked and killed again told me that justice is defined by what you can buy.
When I go to Mass on Sunday, the first thing I’m going to do when I kneel is to thank God that you were not impaneled on that jury. The next thing I am going to do is ask for God’s intervention should you ever be summoned again.
I freely admit that I shouldn’t serve on a jury. I do appreciate your continued prayers for monsters like me. 👍
 
you’re always free to vote to convict and then vote against the DP.
Perhaps, but in some states if there is not a unaimous decision the judge can impanel a new jury for the sentencing phase. If you find someone guilty, but then there is a hung jury about the death penalty it is possible that a new jury will be impaneled that votes for death based on your finding of guilty. For me I would still find myself to blame for that persons death even if I tried to stop the barbarous act during the penalty phase.
 
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