Would you convert if EO and RCC were in full communion?

[aidanbradypop]

This topic came up on another thread. It is not really on the topic of the thread so I wanted to create a thread for it, because it is really interesting!

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

This topic came up on another thread. It is not rif ally on the topic of the thread so I wanted to create a thread for it, because it is really interesting!

No, since I don’t believe either church is correct on a number things. I mean, if either of them were right, I would convert now. I don’t see what them reunifying would do. Protestantism did not break from Rome because Rome and the EO were disunified.

 

[aidanbradypop]

No, since I don’t believe either church is correct on a number things. I mean, if either of them were right, I would convert now. I don’t see what them reunifying would do. Protestantism did not break from Rome because Rome and the EO were disunified.

I disagree with you on the Church not being right of course, but I am glad you said that the both Churches in communion does not matter.

 

[Tomster]

No, since I don’t believe either church is correct on a number things. I mean, if either of them were right, I would convert now. I don’t see what them reunifying would do. Protestantism did not break from Rome because Rome and the EO were disunified.

Not trying to be antagonistic GB, but, since you “don’t believe either church is correct on a number of things” is this because your particular church has told you so or did you arrive at this conclusion by yourself?

Honestly, I’m just trying to understand.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Not trying to be antagonistic GB, but, since you “don’t believe either church is correct on a number of things” is this because your particular church has told you so or did you arrive at this conclusion by yourself?

Honestly, I’m just trying to understand.

Many Baptist believe Christ taught the Baptist theology so how can Christ teach the Baptist Theology as well as the Catholic Theology.

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

Not trying to be antagonistic GB, but, since you “don’t believe either church is correct on a number of things” is this because your particular church has told you so or did you arrive at this conclusion by yourself?

Honestly, I’m just trying to understand.

One’s investigation into church history and the Scriptures. Ultimately the same reason anyone affiliates with any given viewpoint.

 

[aidanbradypop]

One’s investigation into church history and the Scriptures. Ultimately the same reason anyone affiliates with any given viewpoint.

So if you are Reformed Baptist, you start at the English Reformation and Calvin and of you are not Reformed Baptist you start with Mr. Smyth?

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

So if you are Reformed Baptist, you start at the English Reformation and Calvin and of you are not Reformed Baptist you start with Mr. Smyth?

What do you mean, aidan?

 

[Tomster]

One’s investigation into church history and the Scriptures. Ultimately the same reason anyone affiliates with any given viewpoint.

So, in other words, I take it by “one’s investigation” that would mean literally one individual’s investigation and then coming to one’s own personal conclusion?

 

[aidanbradypop]

What do you mean, aidan?

You said you researched Church history, but your church only much later than the Catholic Church.

You can call me Dustin…Aidan and Brady are my sons. lol

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

So, in other words, I take it by “one’s investigation” that would mean literally one individual’s investigation and then coming to one’s own personal conclusion?

Yes. Unless of course, there’s some other process by which one is convinced of something without actually personally believing it.

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

You said you researched Church history, but your church only much later than the Catholic Church.

You can call me Dustin…Aidan and Brady are my sons. lol

Ok Dustin lol. No, of course I didn’t start with the history of the Reformation

 

[CopticChristian]

One’s investigation into church history and the Scriptures. Ultimately the same reason anyone affiliates with any given viewpoint.

Investigation leads to truths and some truths include

Protestants did not exist until 1600 and there is no group or groups that represent Protestant thought in time…until the likes of Calvin, Luther, Smyth…forerunner of Baptists. Baptists sprung from Anglican that sprung from Catholic.

On whose authority did Protestant thought commence?

The bible was stolen from the Catholic Church without authority, translated, and then recreated with a Hebrew OT and NT that the Catholic Church birthed.

There are no original scriptures and all that are avialable are translations and no translation can be proven to be inspired without authority.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Ok Dustin lol. No, of course I didn’t start with the history of the Reformation

Well all the Church history before that was the Catholic Church and the ECFs were Catholic as well so how can you research Church history, yet come out of it believing it to be of Baptist Theology. Well unless you believe Christ was Baptist and the Church was corrupt

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

Well all the Church history before that was the Catholic Church and the ECFs were Catholic as well so how can you research Church history, yet come out of it believing it to be of Baptist Theology. Well unless you believe Christ was Baptist and the Church was corrupt

I do not believe that church history is that black and white. For one thing, though there may have been at one point only one institution called the Catholic Church, that in and of itself does not settle doctrinal disputes. The equally as endless doctrinal and historical arguments between Catholics and Orthodox demonstrates that. Antiquity, in and of itself, doesn’t demonstrate the correctness of a viewpoint. It could just mean something false has been believed for a very long time.

 

[chimo]

This topic came up on another thread. It is not really on the topic of the thread so I wanted to create a thread for it, because it is really interesting!

The prospect of our Churches to arrive at full communion will be the greatest apparition this world will ever see. The problem as it is today is this. We really do not have a clue about what the Orthodox Church and Catholic Church teaches. This lack of knowledge on each Church on the other is now been slowly filled by faithful Christians who have done their homework to study and know what the other can do for each person. More though needs to be done. I have written five books on this subject and it is a catechism series that will give you an introduction into the life of the Catholic for the Orthodox and the life of the Orthodox for the Catholic. My common theme title is “New Wine for New Wineskins” with subtitles for all five books. I have taken Pope John Paul’s II first words as Pope when he said Be Not Afraid as the first subtitle of these books. It is to my observation and by living in both worlds we have very much to offer to each other, much more than one suspects. By combining both of our resources we will be able to show great witness before God to a world that desperately needs it. My conclusions found in these books will convince you of a way to acquire this unity which God is seeking for all of us to share with the rest of Christendom and to the world.

 

[aidanbradypop]

I do not believe that church history is that black and white. For one thing, though there may have been at one point only one institution called the Catholic Church, that in and of itself does not settle doctrinal disputes. The equally as endless doctrinal and historical arguments between Catholics and Orthodox demonstrates that. Antiquity, in and of itself, doesn’t demonstrate the correctness of a viewpoint. It could just mean something false has been believed for a very long time.

Since the Church is infallible, Her teachings and Doctrines are not false. Men, however, can be false very often. We see that with all the different denominations out there. We often allow our will to guide us rather than the Will of God. I can try to tell myself all day that the sky is purple and probably even bring others to believe that, but it does not matter how many I convince, the sky will remain blue.

I did not need the two Churches to come together for my conversion from Southern Baptist to Catholicism. I research the Church and the Church Fathers at 12 years of age and allowed the Holy Spirit to guide my thoughts rather than my human nature.

 

[aidanbradypop]

The prospect of our Churches to arrive at full communion will be the greatest apparition this world will ever see. The problem as it is today is this. We really do not have a clue about what the Orthodox Church and Catholic Church teaches. This lack of knowledge on each Church on the other is now been slowly filled by faithful Christians who have done their homework to study and know what the other can do for each person. More though needs to be done. I have written five books on this subject and it is a catechism series that will give you an introduction into the life of the Catholic for the Orthodox and the life of the Orthodox for the Catholic. My common theme title is “New Wine for New Wineskins” with subtitles for all five books. I have taken Pope John Paul’s II first words as Pope when he said Be Not Afraid as the first subtitle of these books. It is to my observation and by living in both worlds we have very much to offer to each other, much more than one suspects. By combining both of our resources we will be able to show great witness before God to a world that desperately needs it. My conclusions found in these books will convince you of a way to acquire this unity which God is seeking for all of us to share with the rest of Christendom and to the world.

Hey Chimo…nice to see ya!

I hope and pray for the day we can sit down at the same table and both partake in the meal. I agree that we should all educate on the faith or others. Make for a better understanding and dialog.

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

Since the Church is infallible, Her teachings and Doctrines are not false. Men, however, can be. alse very often. We see that with all the different denominations out there. We often allow our will to guide us rather than the Will of God. I can try to tell myself all day that the sky is purple and probably even bring others to believe that, but it does not matter how many I convince, the sky will remain blue.

Right, but the problem you’re going to run into is deciding which one is infallible with respect to Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Both make the claim and both can’t be right since they teach mutually exclusive truths.

I did not need the two Churches to come together for my conversion from Southern Baptist to Catholicism. I research the Church and the Church Fathers at 12 years of age and allowed the Holy Spirit to guide my thoughts rather than my human nature.

Well on that I agree. I am sure those who would convert based on the RCC and EO coming together have their reasons. I must admit I don’t understand them though.

 

[chimo]

Hey Chimo…nice to see ya!

I hope and pray for the day we can sit down at the same table and both partake in the meal. I agree that we should all educate on the faith or others. Make for a better understanding and dialog.

Thank you and the same to you. We seem to see each other a lot more these days. It’s good that we do. I see you are from Ireland. Great country and great people. I have often thought of visiting it someday. Her teachings from her saints is a great witness to her faith in God. One of my spiritual advisors was a priest of Irish descent and helped me a lot during the years I was with him. One of my favorite heroes is another Irishman, Archbishop Fulton Sheen who introduced to me the great humor of the Irish. Keep up with your posts. You do ask very interesting questions.