Would you criminalize homosexual act if you had the chance?

[CrossofChrist]

I say make the fines worse. Maybe jail time, heck lets stone them Okay, in all seriousness, I don’t know how to feel about this. While i’d like to criminalize homosexuality and other acts, I understand that it shouldn’t. Also how would you enforce it. Would the local cop do a bedroom inspection. Maybe we could get the Spanish Inquisition to come. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

Well with adultery and homosexual activity you’d almost have to try and get caught. I say if you are going to be stupid you deserve some penalty. Contraception is easy–just don’t allow it to be sold. Divorce wouldn’t be that hard either; Malta doesn’t have legal divorce yet they don’t have the Inquisition or any other thing dreaded by people.

 

[Robert_Sock]

English is not my native language, you might find some errors and I apologize for that.

I need clear answer, if you had the chance would you make homosexual acts illegal like in some countries, would you make someone go to jail or might even get killed if he/she had homosexual sex?

I would make homosexual behavior a disorder. Not sure I would make it illegal.

 

[Robert_Sock]

If this question was asked just a few decades ago, everybody would say that it ought to be illegal. Just shows you how fast social attitudes and beliefs have changed within our society.

 

[CopticChristian]

I say make the fines worse. Maybe jail time, heck lets stone them Okay, in all seriousness, I don’t know how to feel about this. While i’d like to criminalize homosexuality and other acts, I understand that it shouldn’t. Also how would you enforce it. Would the local cop do a bedroom inspection. p

Maybe we could get the Spanish Inquisition to come. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition:

I would ask you to recognize that this is a public forum, this forum is populated with many that do not understand the Catholic Faith and fewer still understand the inquisition. Using the inquisition, tongue in cheek, does a diservice to the past as it happened and potentially may cause someone to believe that this was a universal Catholic practice that some would be in favor of today…suggesting they favored it yesterday.

 

[epan]

Until recently it was against the law. Laws set the standard.

Now if it is shown that homosexual act is a broad health threat then yes, criminalize it.

Like Mayor Bloomberg and soft drinks?

Indeed, there are many things which are health risks. Overeating kills more people and causes more health problems than any sexual activity. Ditto for smoking tobacco.

How would you decide which acts should be outlawed, based on health risk?

 

[CopticChristian]

Like Mayor Bloomberg and soft drinks?

Indeed, there are many things which are health risks. Overeating kills more people and causes more health problems than any sexual activity. Ditto for smoking tobacco.

How would you decide which acts should be outlawed, based on health risk?

You bring up an excellent point, since Homosexuals suffer dismal health,

traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a02rStatistcs.html

• 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).
• 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).
• Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.
• 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).
• Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” (10).
• Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).
• 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).

and

Ellis et al. (1995) examined patients at an clinic which focused on genital and urological problems such as STD’s; he found 38% of the homosexual men seeking such services had antisocial personality disorder, as well as 28% of heterosexual men. Both levels were enormously higher than the 2% rate of antisocial personality disorder for the general population (which in turn, compares to the 50% rate for prison inmates) (Matthews 1997).
Perhaps the finding of a higher level of conduct disorder in the New Zealand study foreshadowed this finding of antisocial personality . Therapists, of course, are not very likely to see a large number of individuals who are antisocial because they are probably less likely to seek help.

Secondly, it was previously noted that 43% of a bulimic sample of men were homosexual or bisexual (Carlat et al. 1997), a rate about 15 times higher than the rate in the population in general–meaning homosexual men are probably disproportionately liable to this mental condition. This may be due to the very strong preoccupation with appearance and physique frequently found among male homosexuals.

Ellis, D; Collis, I; King, M (1995): Personality disorder and sexual risk taking among homosexually active and heterosexually active men attending a genito-urinary medicine clinic. J. Psychosom. Res. 39, 901-910.
Matthews, R. (1997): Game theory backs crackdown on petty crime. New Scientist 156(2078), 18.

the best thing we can do for them is to

Outlaw smoking and overeating in Homosexuals.

The other issues of course will persist however any improvement in health is warranted and charitable…

 

[mommamaree]

I think it would be good if there were laws against fornication, adultery, and sodomy. It was against the law in most states in America up until fairly recently. I think it was a mistake removing those laws. That being said, I think jail time is more than enough consequence for conviction. I do not agree with the consequence of the death penalty that some other nations have for any of these sexual crimes.

We like to think our sexual behaviors are private. But just because they occur behind closed doors does not mean the community is not negatively impacted by sexual sin. So I think laws forbidding sodomy as well as fornication and adultery would be just laws.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

You bring up an excellent point, since Homosexuals suffer dismal health,

and

the best thing we can do for them is to

Outlaw smoking and overeating in Homosexuals.

The other issues of course will persist however any improvement in health is warranted and charitable…

Having actually looked into many of those previously most of those studies cited have serious methodological flaws or are far from accurate these days.

An example would be the rates of promiscuity, these days the median number of sex partners for gays is six, the median number for lesbians is six, the median number for heterosexual males is six and the median number for heterosexual females is six, so generally they are no more promiscuous than heterosexuals.

I have never found one of your studies to be useful because of the methodological flaws or out of date data. Life expectancy for example has gone up substantially.

 

[CopticChristian]

Having actually looked into many of those previously most of those studies cited have serious methodological flaws or are far from accurate these days.

An example would be the rates of promiscuity, these days the median number of sex partners for gays is six, the median number for lesbians is six, the median number for heterosexual males is six and the median number for heterosexual females is six, so generally they are no more promiscuous than heterosexuals.

I have never found one of your studies to be useful because of the methodological flaws or out of date data. Life expectancy for example has gone up substantially.

Share the details of the serious methodologic flaws and the inaccuracies so that we all may learn.

 

[Forkfoot]

How so?

LOL!

 

[Forkfoot]

I’d make a fine of $100 or so if you got caught, doing, um, ya know…

That’s discrimination; if you made that law rich people could do all that fun gay sex stuff all day, but the poor would have to scrimp and save for weeks. Pope Francis says we should be advocating for the poor, man.

 

[Forkfoot]

I think it would be good if there were laws against fornication, adultery, and sodomy. It was against the law in most states in America up until fairly recently. I think it was a mistake removing those laws. That being said, I think jail time is more than enough consequence for conviction. I do not agree with the consequence of the death penalty that some other nations have for any of these sexual crimes.

We like to think our sexual behaviors are private. But just because they occur behind closed doors does not mean the community is not negatively impacted by sexual sin. So I think laws forbidding sodomy as well as fornication and adultery would be just laws.

Hahaha! Yeah, send them to jail, that’d cut back on the sodomy. This thread is the funniest damn thing I’ve seen in weeks.

 

[WildCatholic]

I would ask you to recognize that this is a public forum, this forum is populated with many that do not understand the Catholic Faith and fewer still understand the inquisition. Using the inquisition, tongue in cheek, does a diservice to the past as it happened and potentially may cause someone to believe that this was a universal Catholic practice that some would be in favor of today…suggesting they favored it yesterday.

Sorry, Its a very dumb joke. I guess there are no monty python fans here though:shrug:

 

[InJesusItrust]

This presumes that it was a mental disorder to begin with…

When the gay activists stormed the APA in the 70s, they just voted the disorder away. Before it was a mental disorder, but they just cured it by the flick of a pen.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Share the details of the serious methodologic flaws and the inaccuracies so that we all may learn.

I would like to point out that the last sentence of that post is

I have never found one of your studies to be useful because of the methodological flaws or out of date data. Life expectancy for example has gone up substantially.

And so I will look for either methodological flaws or out of date data.

• One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

OkCupid survey data

Median Reported Sex Partners
•straight men: 6
•gay men: 6
•straight women: 6
•gay women: 6

•45% of gay people have had 5 or fewer partners (vs. 44% for straights)
•98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer partners (vs. 99% for straights)

Since 2% of gay people have had 23% of the total reported gay sex I guess it really is a small minority making the rest look bad.

• Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.

This study is from the early 1970s so it is before things that the AIDS epidemic was known and before gays who are more normal were willing to come out. This also appears to have been the only study studying homosexual life partner rates per se.

I however find other data complete with pretty graph.

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As you can see both rates are close.

Median Reported Sex Partners
• straight men: 6
• gay men: 6
• straight women: 6
• gay women: 6

Now

• 45% of gay people have had 5 or fewer partners (vs. 44% for straights)
• 98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer partners (vs. 99% for straights)

That’s a start.

When the gay activists stormed the APA in the 70s, they just voted the disorder away. Before it was a mental disorder, but they just cured it by the flick of a pen.

IIRC there were people who actually had opposed the inclusion of homosexuality from the beginning because there wasn’t sufficient evidence for it being a mental illness

 

[CopticChristian]

I would like to point out that the last sentence of that post is

And so I will look for either methodological flaws or out of date data.

OkCupid survey data

Median Reported Sex Partners
•straight men: 6
•gay men: 6
•straight women: 6
•gay women: 6

•45% of gay people have had 5 or fewer partners (vs. 44% for straights)
•98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer partners (vs. 99% for straights)

Since 2% of gay people have had 23% of the total reported gay sex I guess it really is a small minority making the rest look bad.

This study is from the early 1970s so it is before things that the AIDS epidemic was known and before gays who are more normal were willing to come out. This also appears to have been the only study studying homosexual life partner rates per se.

I however find other data complete with pretty graph.

http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/gaystraight/SexPartnersAll.png

As you can see both rates are close.

Median Reported Sex Partners
• straight men: 6
• gay men: 6
• straight women: 6
• gay women: 6

Now

• 45% of gay people have had 5 or fewer partners (vs. 44% for straights)
• 98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer partners (vs. 99% for straights)

That’s a start.

IIRC there were people who actually had opposed the inclusion of homosexuality from the beginning because there wasn’t sufficient evidence for it being a mental illness

This is not a flaw. The writer honestly says “one reported study”…the percentages are not as relevant as the finding and when an article is reviewed, as I do, then I see that and I recognize that there may be more that needs to be looked at however that does not negate the observation.

 

[Debora123]

Um no, of course not.

If we start criminalizing all sexual grave sins, we’d all be locked up in jail. That’s not how Jesus would have wanted it.

 

[Debora123]

Now if it is shown that homosexual act is a broad health threat then yes, criminalize it.

So should we criminalize drinking soda and eating cookies??

 

[fpt]

English is not my native language, you might find some errors and I apologize for that.

I need clear answer, if you had the chance would you make homosexual acts illegal like in some countries, would you make someone go to jail or might even get killed if he/she had homosexual sex?

For information, read these threads. Good luck, the debates are very …!!! up to you.

Aren’t there 13 Non-Negotiables, not just 5?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=746168

Why isn’t adultery against the law?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=747697

Whats wrong with a theocracy?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=748921

Sodomy Law
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=637841

 

[CopticChristian]

So should we criminalize drinking soda and eating cookies??

Misdemeanor for our own benefit…