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States can determine what is best.
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fix
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It is not that truth has changed. It is that we now view even the most basic of moral laws as onerous.
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Dear TheBreak,
Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for raising these questions.
Here in Britain, where I reside, there was a time when there was an immense amount of public antipathy to homosexual vice and such vile practices were a criminal offence. However, following the recommendations of the Wolfenden Report, the Sexual Offences Act 1967 decriminalized homosexual aberrant acts between consenting male adults. The argument that won the day with moralists was the alleged need to clearly distinguish between crimes, which are the proper concern of the legislature, and sins, which, so it was argued, are not.
However, dear friend, many believe that this was a grave error of judgment and that even in private unnatural homosexual vice should remain the proper concern of the law, for such behaviour is incontrovertably not conducive to the common good. It is blindingly obvious that legalizing homosexual deviant acts does affect the common good because it encourages the spread of unnatural and unhealthy vice without the threat of any punishment. Certainly the law per se will not put an end to homosexual vice, but it will help put a check upon its spread and corrupting influence, especially among impressionable youth.
Moreover, dear friend, it was rather naive for men to think that once this detestable vice had been decriminalized, homosexuals would just fade from view and live happily ever after, never to be heard from again. Man is a fallen being and thus it would only be a matter of time before the homosexual activists would be loudly demanding their so called ‘gay rights’ and that the sort of issues now facing us would gradually emerge. Here in Britain, for example, guest house propietors are now forbidden by law to ‘discriminate’ against homosexual patrons, notwithstanding that they strongly disapprove of such conduct on the grounds of deeply held religious convictions. Evidently, their ‘rights’ are inconsequential and their homes are no longer their castles where they alone decide who enters as a guest and who does not.
It admits of no serious doubt, dear friend, that Britian opened up a can of worms by decriminalizing homosexual vice back in the permissive Sixties. The present situation is very desperate indeed and shows no sign of improving, especially for devout Christians who can never accept this abominable lifestyle. Homosexual activists have an agenda and will never rest satisfied with having their unnatural acts decriminalized. Now they want to give the public social dimension to a personal union the status of ‘marriage’. This, along with the demand for homosexuals to be able to assume the roles of ‘parents’, surely represents the ultimate discrimination against normal holy wedlock, ordained by God for the procreation of children and for them to be brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord. How can homosexual liasons ever satisfy this end since they are contrary to nature and involve the pursuit of veneral pleasure in such a ways as to exclude the possibility of any generation.
Now, dear friend, had homosexual deviant acts remained a criminal offence, punishable by a term of imprisonment, this would surely have semaphored to the homosexual activists in Britain and the America that the state would never sanction such unnatural vice. This would have at least helped to halt the spread of homosexual vice, as well as promoting the practice of public virtue. Moreover, had our governments remained steadfast and unmoveable, we would not be plagued as we are today by the unrelenting clamour for ‘gay rights’ and the agenda changes that so many would like to see, including even some Catholics (e.g. Boy Scouts Association, which my fellow Catholic ‘fix’ knows more about than myself).
Finally, dear friend, who can honestly deny that both America and Britian would be far better places today had they not legalized the practice of sodomy? Any country who’s government emphatically condemns homosexual vice, by making its practice illegal, will surely qualify for the favour of God upon it, whilst any country that gives legal sanction to such deviant vice has disgraced itself and cannot expect God to bless and prosper it. Therefore, it is in the interest of governments to use their powers for the supression of vice and the support of virtue - “Righteousness exalteth an nation: but sin is a reproach to any people” (Prov. 14: 34).
Homosexual conduct bears tragic witness to the disordering of mankind by Original Sin and is objectively unnatural and unhealthy. Therefore it follows that any country that shamefully decriminalizes such aberrant acts of depravity, will bring upon itself much woes and many social problems.
God bless.
Warmest good wishes,
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Dakota_Roberts
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The APA adds and removes mental illnesses by a vote.
Evelyn Hooker did a study where she had 30 nonpatient homosexuals and 30 nonpatient heterosexuals under go standard psychological tests, when she gave these results to other experienced psychologists they couldn’t tell who was homosexual and who was not from the data. That was a major piece of evidence.
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InJesusItrust
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60 is a good sample? How do you know that they did not abuse statistic as often happens in political issues?
Also how did she find out who was homosexual given the shame, unless they were activists announcing it?
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livingwordunity
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The questions on the test can easily be worded to achieve that result. I would bet that Evelyn Hooker got the results she was looking for.
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Fairwinds
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how the government would investigate a law against sodomy taking place in a married couple’s bedroom bedroom would be a disaster for everyone.
while I predict an enthusiastic crowd of snitches I mean confidential informants to help the police get a warrant to install the hidden cameras and mics and post peeping tom snoops. the raid, the evidence gathering in particular, then trial… would be a circus. you’d never get a conviction.
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Dakota_Roberts
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Considering Coptic has quoted case studies as evidence it seems just fine. What do you mean “abuse statistic” [sic]?
If they were activists it wouldn’t matter as if homosexuality is a mental illness they should been have been able to find at least some of them considering they were half of the tests.
We are talking about tests with fixed wordings.
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Forkfoot
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I guarantee there’d be no shortage of selfless, pious souls willing to peep in windows and monitor hidden camera footage to help uphold the moral fabric of society.
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CopticChristian
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I wonder what tests they were and the question is what do these tests tell you…
Rorshach is subjective
TAT is subjective
MMPI provides information
It is said in the field of medicine, we do not treat tests, we treat patients…and if you applied these tests so what.
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CopticChristian
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case studies indicate an observation in need of further investigation however as we know this led to a vote not study and the subsequent demise of the credibility of the APA.
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Forkfoot
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You could probably find many fine upstanding volunteers in this very thread, come to think of it.
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CopticChristian
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Notice that there is nothing above this that allows anyone on this thread to understand any dialogue. I had to click and paste the following segment so that it could be seen.
Later today I will address your statements. Do you want dialogue to be easy or difficult?
If you want it to be easy then please do not answer within a quote because that requires more effort to click and paste, save, etc.
It you want it to be easy answer or make statement outside the quotes so that all can follow the Q&A.
What you do as it regards posting will be seen as a desire to make it easier or more difficult. You decide. Do you want clarity or confusion?
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Dear fix,
Hello again, yes, dear brother, and I believe that the libertarianism of the Sixties permissive revolution gave reign to a moral anarchy from which our Western civilisation has never fully recovered. Let men not forget that it was during that decade of decadence that abortion and homosexual vice were decriminalized. Subsequent decades have sadly witnessed the steady erosion of the role of the nuclear family in the fabric of communtiy life and we are now beset by many social problems. Homosexuals are enjoying a very high profile in society and are to be found in the highest earners in the entertainment industry. Millions who have never read a line of Michel Foucault’s post-modernist depravity witness show-business celeberties promoting the same abominable lifestyle in the public arena. It is only one of the pick-'n-mix sexualities on offer today, but what deeply concerns me is the sort of role-models being provided for the emerging generation. People will no doubt call it ‘alarmist’, but I think we are in a very bad way indeed and deep national repentance is called for, in both America and Britian.
Sadly, dear friend, you are quite correct when you say even the most basic moral laws are now considered onerous in the crooked and perverse times in which our lot is cast. Prior to the Sixties at least a Christian consciousness held some sway and put a check on the spread of vice and wickedness, but, alas, that is no longer the case now. St. Paul predicted the process of decline with frightening accuracy in his epistle to the Romans (1: 18-32), where he shows that a society’s moral and social behaviour is but a reflection of its spiritual orientation. All our woes can be traced to the loss of the sanctifying influence of Christ’s holy religion in society and the rise of forces hostile to the cause of good. St. Paul traces a downward spiral from men supressing the truth (that is, stifeling the true knowledge of God), to increasing degradation, which itself results in idolatry and reaps futility of life in every sphere of human conduct. This is not merely some abstract principle of cause and effect but the judgment of a righteous holy God, giving men up to the fateful consequences of their evil choices. Whilst the apostle speaks of other forms of wickedness, it is shameful and unnatural homosexual vice to which he gives the greatest prominence - and that is significant and should not go unoticed by us. Alas, men today no longer see the exceeding sinfulness of homosexual vice, as did previous generations, and have forgotten that its practice is an “abomination” in the sight of our all holy God (Lev. 18: 22). What I find so very disturbing is that men today can speak of homosexual vice - a vice against which even nature herself protests - without blush or shame.
God bless and goodbye for now, dear brother. Keep up the good work.
Warmest good wishes,
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InSearchofGrace
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Yeah, a major piece of evidence, alright.
The Evelyn Hooker Study and the Normalization of Homosexuality
To answer the OP, however, I would not want to re-criminalize homosexual acts. What I object to is the sweep from out of the closet of private behavior to the altar that involves public policy, institution of SS"M" as law.
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Maybe we should employ the same method as your father does when he catches you smoking. Y’know, he makes you smoke the entire packet of cigarettes until you’re sick of them? Put two homosexuals in a room, and get them to have sex with each other until they get sick of it. That should set them straight, both in a literal sense and figuratively.
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Forkfoot
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That’s called jail. A number of posters here already spoke in favor of that method.
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