Would you date someone in SSPX?

[underacloud]

I think the previous poster was questioning your use of the world “faith” not “not in communion”

Ah, fair enough. Yes, I’m not sure what the term to use there is. Group, church, association, organisation, faith, etc.

The particular word one might use there does not change the substance of what I was addressing. Their ministers are suspended and their ministries illicit. Their baptisms are valid, as with any Christian group/faith/etc, but a faithful Catholic should be receiving sacraments from a priest in full communion with Rome.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Ah, fair enough. Yes, I’m not sure what the term to use there is. Group, church, association, organisation, faith, etc.

The particular word one might use there does not change the substance of what I was addressing. Their ministers are suspended and their ministries illicit. Their baptisms are valid, as with any Christian group/faith/etc, but a faithful Catholic should be receiving sacraments from a priest in full communion with Rome.

I think group is the best term.

but a faithful Catholic should be receiving sacraments from a priest in full communion with Rome.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Especially the “should” and not “must” part.

 

[moon1234]

No, it wouldn’t be mandatory to move. You might be advised to as we were. I know an SSPX family who were Third Order SSPX (these people are actually members of the SSPX as laypeople, while most of the rest of the parishoners are not) who moved more than once to build missions - under obedience. But I think they were still allowed to consider the prospect, but with more pressure due to obedience. Ultimately, we all have free will. Personally, we were convinced that, for our children’s spiritual welfare, we should follow this advice from the priest.

I don’t mean to come across as emotional. I’m actually at an emotional distance at this point. I also have nothing against home schooling (we did for many years), modesty, and the TLM. The message I was trying to impart with those topics is that those things are a necessary and mandatory part of the SSPX culture. For instance, if I sent a daughter out to play in the muck with pants on, even though she usually wore a skirt, I would be criticized. When I cut a daughters hair to shoulder length, I was criticized (it wasn’t considered modest). Or when our family had a situation which made it necessary to send children to diocesan Catholic school, we were criticized. We were also advised to, when there was no SSPX Mass on a Sunday (mission territory) to stay home or pray a Holy Hour in the chapel, instead of fulfilling our obligation at the Parish Church.

I say these things to identify the culture.

I would also like to mention this. When we say that the SSPX is not “outside” the Church, there needs to be a clarification. We had a number of our children baptized and confirmed in the SSPX. When our family returned to the Diocesan Church we were required to have our children formally registered as Catholics, and to make a profession of faith publicly. They had to enter like a Protestant or an Eastern Orthodox convert. No, there was no question of “re-baptism” or “conditional confirmation” - those sacraments are considered valid. But make note that they were not considered in union with the Catholic Church. They were not considered to be technically Catholic. And none of my good intentions changed this fact. Imagine my dismay…

So, while a marriage could be convalidated later, I think a couple who *understood *the situation would be committing a mortal sin to go ahead with the sacrament in this way.

Whomever made you make a profession of faith did not know his own faith. The SSPX are CATHOLIC. They are DISOBEDIANT, but they are not schismatics. To make a CATHOLIC who was validly baptized and confirmed make a profession of faith is an affront to all that is Catholic. This type of action shows how little most parish priests know about the SSPX, validity of sacraments, etc.

We have an SSPX chapel less than one mile for our parish. Our parish has the EF Every day of the week, all Holy days and even the Triduum. We have never had any problems with SSPX chapel attendees coming to the parish EF Mass. Many of the people who now attend the EF at the parish came from the SSPX. The SSPX priest even came to the EF when our society Priests were first stationed here. On Holy days, when the SSPX Priest can not come, the EF Mass at the Parish is packed. I seriously don’t buy the venom that is being lashed out towards the SSPX.

I can understand the modesty stuff though. Some of the families who attend the EF don’t let the girls wear pants, are put off when the women religious of the Society go biking, which requires pants according to them, so they keep their girls home. I find this to just be overly protective parents. They exist on both sides of the aisle.

It is hard for many who have been with the SSPX for so long to feel comfortable outside of the SSPX. Finding an orthodox Priest who will say the EF Mass, have a Bishop who will confirm according to the 1962 missal, etc. is rare. We are so blessed to have a supportive bishop, Excellent Priests and excellent homilies. So many in the SSPX found nothing but craziness in their local parishes for so long.

I used to CRY when we had to attend Mass on Sunday before the society Priests came. We endured the guitars, clown and polka Masses, the “love” homilies, Priests who attended Mass, but did not distribute communion, etc. It was brutally painful. I know many in the local SSPX chapel are just reluctant to stop attending there. They are afraid that the SSPX chapel will close, then the society Priests will get moved and then their will be no more EF Mass offered.

Apart from the Confession and Marriage issues, I would have no problem with any of my eight children dating an SSPX attendee. I MAY have problems with their overly protective parents and their social moors, but that is a minor issue.

 

[mwncheesehead]

“Not in communion” is the current status. Yes, they are not in schism, but they are not in full communion and their ministries are illicit. That’s the legal/canonical position. A faithful Catholic ought to consider SSPX to be a no-go.

I hope they return to full communion.

They’re still deliberating the whole “full communion” thing. They don’t want to get pushed around by the modernists in Rome.

 

[GloriaMaria]

Whomever made you make a profession of faith did not know his own faith. The SSPX are CATHOLIC. They are DISOBEDIANT, but they are not schismatics. To make a CATHOLIC who was validly baptized and confirmed make a profession of faith is an affront to all that is Catholic. This type of action shows how little most parish priests know about the SSPX, validity of sacraments, etc.

We have an SSPX chapel less than one mile for our parish. Our parish has the EF Every day of the week, all Holy days and even the Triduum. We have never had any problems with SSPX chapel attendees coming to the parish EF Mass. Many of the people who now attend the EF at the parish came from the SSPX. The SSPX priest even came to the EF when our society Priests were first stationed here. On Holy days, when the SSPX Priest can not come, the EF Mass at the Parish is packed. I seriously don’t buy the venom that is being lashed out towards the SSPX.

I can understand the modesty stuff though. Some of the families who attend the EF don’t let the girls wear pants, are put off when the women religious of the Society go biking, which requires pants according to them, so they keep their girls home. I find this to just be overly protective parents. They exist on both sides of the aisle.

It is hard for many who have been with the SSPX for so long to feel comfortable outside of the SSPX. Finding an orthodox Priest who will say the EF Mass, have a Bishop who will confirm according to the 1962 missal, etc. is rare. We are so blessed to have a supportive bishop, Excellent Priests and excellent homilies. So many in the SSPX found nothing but craziness in their local parishes for so long.

I used to CRY when we had to attend Mass on Sunday before the society Priests came. We endured the guitars, clown and polka Masses, the “love” homilies, Priests who attended Mass, but did not distribute communion, etc. It was brutally painful. I know many in the local SSPX chapel are just reluctant to stop attending there. They are afraid that the SSPX chapel will close, then the society Priests will get moved and then their will be no more EF Mass offered.

Apart from the Confession and Marriage issues, I would have no problem with any of my eight children dating an SSPX attendee. I MAY have problems with their overly protective parents and their social moors, but that is a minor issue.

Actually, you are mistaken. The person who advised my family was our Diocesan Bishop. Who before advising consulted other Bishops, Canon Lawyers, and so forth.

The way he explained it to me, was that while our children’s sacraments were valid they were illicit. As you may know, all of the SSPX priests are suspended and have no authority to minister in the Catholic Church. So, he said, the children were “in communion with the SSPX” and not necessarily with the Catholic Church. And as such they were required to come into the Church as if they were outside of the Church.

I think this reality, whether or not you would like to believe it, should give any person pause. We desired the Traditional Mass and sacraments for our kids, but that desire did not make it licit to receive Sacraments from the SSPX. In fact we put our souls in danger.

I think that the fact your priest has no problem with the SSPX attendees coming to your Mass is simply an act of charity. He may be privately advising them to remain attached to the diocese. We don’t know.

If the Church says, “The SSPX exercises no legitimate ministry inside the Church” that includes Baptism and Confirmation. Valid, yes. Licit, NO.

 

[Elizium23]

Yes, this is what my parish priests have said as well. If any of our children in Religious Education (or adults) received their sacraments at the local SSPX chapel then they need to make a profession of faith in the Catholic Church before they can be considered members in good standing here. We have to check over the certificates closely because they look like they were issued by an ordinary Catholic church…