Would you join a Crusade?

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First_of_9 said:
Interesting question.

Now I have one.

How many of you saying yes have actually been in combat–on-the ground, face-to-face, burrowing–in-the mud, combat? How many have actually heard shots fired in anger–at you?
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I haven’t… I would pray that I would have the strength to endure if I am ever needed.

but thats what this topic is about - not the brutality of war, which is certain - but rather it is question of “would you undergo such a brutallity if you were needed”

And that’s it right there - If I were needed. If I were needed, I would like to think that I would have the courage, just as my forefathers had, to fight for something greater than myself and to fulfill my duties to God, family and nation.
 
First_of_9 said:
Interesting question.

Now I have one.

How many of you saying yes have actually been in combat–on-the ground, face-to-face, burrowing–in-the mud, combat? How many have actually heard shots fired in anger–at you?
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I have proudly served my country. I have fired and been fired upon. I don’t recommend it.

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However, I would, without any thought what-so-ever fight and die for GOD and HIS CHURCH.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Then I respect you for the duty you have done for your country. 👍
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Thank you. There are many out there that deserve your thanks before me. I only did my job.

My post was not meant as a boast or call to attention. I am not worthy of anyone’s thoughts. It was only to respond to that poster’s question that there are those here who have fought and are willing to do so again. Especially for their faith.

God Bless.
 
TemplarKnight said:
Thank you. There are many out there that deserve your thanks before me. I only did my job.

My post was not meant as a boast or call to attention. I am not worthy of anyone’s thoughts. It was only to respond to that poster’s question that there are those here who have fought and are willing to do so again. Especially for their faith.

God Bless.
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All soldiers should be considered heroes. No problem.
 
First_of_9 said:
Interesting question.

Now I have one.

How many of you saying yes have actually been in combat–on-the ground, face-to-face, burrowing–in-the mud, combat? How many have actually heard shots fired in anger–at you?
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I flew AWACS in the USAF, and seen SAM sites go off with my comrades being their intended target.

Regardless, what does that have to do with our obligation? There’s a first time for everything, especially death.
 
My questioned was aimed at what I perceived as a somewhat flippant and glamorized attitude toward crusading on the part of some posters.

It is very easy to sit in your safe home in front of a computer and hypothetically discuss war, as I am doing right now. It is very easy to say “Yes” when the answer is meaningless, when it is just an intellectual exercise.

A crusade is war. It is killing and being killed. It is maiming and being maimed. It is the sight, sound, and smell of death and dying. The horror cannot be described. It can only be experienced, and that experience is one that no sane person should ever desire.

I am not saying that a war may not be inevitable and may not be just. I am trying to explain to the television generation that war is not a video game. It is not the clean, almost detached view one gets from a tv camera or even a gun camera. Rather it is what is happening to the human beings at the opposite end of that camera.

Would I personally respond to a call for a crusade? I don’t know. I’ve “seen the elephant”, as my Civil War ancestors would say.
 
Yes! While I think that for the most part violence is senseless and of no use, sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do.

Hippy Christians please read Luke 19:45-46
 
Nice. Don’t forget this one.

“From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.” (Matthew 11:12)
 
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the Children of God.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the Children of God.
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Proclaim ye this among the nations: prepare war, rouse up the strong: let them come, let all the men of war come up. 10 Cut your ploughshares into swords, and your spades into spears. Let the weak say: I am strong.

11 Break forth, and come, all ye nations, from round about, and gather yourselves together: there will the Lord cause all thy strong ones to fall down. 12 Let them arise, and let the nations come up into the valley of Josaphat: for there I will sit to judge all nations round about. 13 Put ye in the sickles, for the harvest is ripe: come and go down, for the press is full, the fats run over: for their wickedness is multiplied. 14 Nations, nations in the valley of destruction: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of destruction. 15 The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars have withdrawn their shining.

16 And the Lord shall roar out of Sion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem: and the heavens and the earth shall be moved, and the Lord shall be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17 And you shall know that I am the Lord your God, dwelling in Sion my holy mountain: and Jerusalem shall be holy and strangers shall pass through it no more.

JOEL 3:9-17 DR
 
mschrank said:
Good question!

That’s how! If the Pope calls for it, you as a Catholic must obey to the best of your ability!
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True for us. But Sister Amy isn’t a nun, she’s a Muslim, so I’m guessing she doesn’t much care what the Holy Father calls for.
 
First_of_9 said:
Interesting question.

Now I have one.

How many of you saying yes have actually been in combat–on-the ground, face-to-face, burrowing–in-the mud, combat? How many have actually heard shots fired in anger–at you?
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That question is like what a liberal “leftist” Christian would ask. Many Catholics have desired martyrdom. A Crusade is a form of martyrdom. It is like asking a Catholic who wants to me a martyr if he has every faced martyrdom before. Most Catholics who have died martyrs never faced it before. But the desire to be a martyr is beautiful. A Crusade is more than war it is Holy war. It is about dieing and suffering for God as He has suffered and died for us and about Heaven, the forgiveness of one’s sins, and wanting to be with Jesus Christ in Heaven. Getting to Heaven is what life is about and dieing in a Crusade is a good way to get there.
 
Sword_Brethren said:
That question is like what a liberal “leftist” Christian would ask. Many Catholics have desired martyrdom. A Crusade is a form of martyrdom. It is like asking a Catholic who wants to me a martyr if he has every faced martyrdom before. Most Catholics who have died martyrs never faced it before. But the desire to be a martyr is beautiful. A Crusade is more than war it is Holy war. It is about dieing and suffering for God as He has suffered and died for us and about Heaven, the forgiveness of one’s sins, and wanting to be with Jesus Christ in Heaven. Getting to Heaven is what life is about and dieing in a Crusade is a good way to get there.
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I must say that my objective in war was never to die for my country, martyr or not. My objective was to make that SOB on the other side die for HIS country. And yes, First of 9, I did three in-country tours in Vietnam, in the Delta. I too, have “seen the elephant.”
 
hosemonkey said:
I must say that my objective in war was never to die for my country, martyr or not. My objective was to make that SOB on the other side die for HIS country. And yes, First of 9, I did three in-country tours in Vietnam, in the Delta. I too, have “seen the elephant.”
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Vietnam was not a Crusade, and none of the wars of the United States were Crusades. I was writing about Catholic Martyrs and about the Crusades.
 
TemplarKnight said:
Proclaim ye this among the nations: prepare war, rouse up the strong: let them come, let all the men of war come up. 10 Cut your ploughshares into swords, and your spades into spears. Let the weak say: I am strong.

11 Break forth, and come, all ye nations, from round about, and gather yourselves together: there will the Lord cause all thy strong ones to fall down. 12 Let them arise, and let the nations come up into the valley of Josaphat: for there I will sit to judge all nations round about. 13 Put ye in the sickles, for the harvest is ripe: come and go down, for the press is full, the fats run over: for their wickedness is multiplied. 14 Nations, nations in the valley of destruction: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of destruction. 15 The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars have withdrawn their shining.

16 And the Lord shall roar out of Sion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem: and the heavens and the earth shall be moved, and the Lord shall be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17 And you shall know that I am the Lord your God, dwelling in Sion my holy mountain: and Jerusalem shall be holy and strangers shall pass through it no more.

JOEL 3:9-17 DR
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Joel. Possibly the most powerful piece of poetry ever written. One time I had to read it out loud and it actually made me choke.

I really, really want Christopher Lee to do a reading of that.
 
Almost 70% percent of the respondents at this time would go on a crusade. Wow. So much for love thy enemy…
 
Peregrino said:
So much for love thy enemy…
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In the immortal words of Tina Turner “what’s love got to do with it?”

You can love them and pray for them as your force your sword deep into their chest.
 
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