Would you lie to convert someone?

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Della:
Catholics too have a personal relationship with Jesus but we don’t call it that .
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Hi there! 👋

It has always struck me as somewhat hypocritical for bible-only Christians to criticize Catholics for not using a phrase that isn’t in the bible.

It’s in the CCC though:

**299 **The universe, created in and by the eternal Word, the “image of the invisible God”, is destined for and addressed to man, himself created in the “image of God” and called to a personal relationship with God.

**796 **The unity of Christ and the Church, head and members of one Body, also implies the distinction of the two within a personal relationship.

**2558 **This mystery, then, requires that the faithful believe in it, that they celebrate it, and that they live from it in a vital and personal relationship with the living and true God.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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Catholics too have a personal relationship with Jesus but we don’t call it that .
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Hi there!
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It has always struck me as somewhat hypocritical for bible-only Christians to criticize Catholics for not using a phrase that isn’t in the bible.
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It’s in the CCC though:
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299 The universe, created in and by the eternal Word, the “image of the invisible God”, is destined for and addressed to man, himself created in the “image of God” and called to a personal relationship with God.
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796 The unity of Christ and the Church, head and members of one Body, also implies the distinction of the two within a personal relationship.
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2558 This mystery, then, requires that the faithful believe in it, that they celebrate it, and that they live from it in a vital and personal relationship with the living and true God.
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In Christ,
Nancy
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I’m glad the CCC used the phrase “personal relationship with God” because truly, Catholics can and should have such a relationship. However, I was referring to the fact that traditionally speaking Catholics haven’t used that phrase to describe their faith life nor their experience of salvation. I should have been clearer, but I didn’t want to tempt the character counter and go over the limit. 😉

What I meant is that Catholics would traditionally refer to a personal relationship with Jesus as a part of the “interior life” of the Faith. Oftentimes mere words can get in the way of communicating what we mean when talking to our separated brethren, which is one of the problems the OP seems to be having.
 
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Della:
I’m glad the CCC used the phrase “personal relationship with God” because truly, Catholics can and should have such a relationship. However, I was referring to the fact that traditionally speaking Catholics haven’t used that phrase to describe their faith life nor their experience of salvation. I should have been clearer, but I didn’t want to tempt the character counter and go over the limit. 😉

What I meant is that Catholics would traditionally refer to a personal relationship with Jesus as a part of the “interior life” of the Faith. Oftentimes mere words can get in the way of communicating what we mean when talking to our separated brethren, which is one of the problems the OP seems to be having.
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Hi there! 👋

You were clear. I was just offering some little known info.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
No, unless I broke my own rules out of weakness. It is unlikely that they will believe you are telling them the truth about God if you are telling them falsehoods about their current religion. So, on practical considerations alone, it would be imprudent.

I *am *likely to emphasize whatever aspects of Catholicism that might interest them.
 
What I’ve seen is someone will use something that play’s on our ignorance. “Why do you say so many Hail Mary’s during the Rosary? Haven’t you read about Repetitious Prayer? Why do you worship Mary instead of God?” Now if someone does not understand the meaning behind vainglorious repetitious prayer or asking for Mary’s intercession, then they are in danger of losing their faith. Of course, their faith may already be questionable, but that’s another thread.

NotWorthy
 
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NotWorthy:
What I’ve seen is someone will use something that play’s on our ignorance. "Why do you say so many Hail Mary’s during the Rosary? Haven’t you read about Repetitious Prayer?
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This approach could be disingenuous, especially if the person asking thinks there is really nothing wrong with the prayer that the selected Catholic is doing.

I had a Baptist say to me as a sort of parting shot that the pope (he meant JP2) said there is no hell, as in, no one goes there, it isn’t real, Jesus lied. I think the man knew better when he said it, and it left a sour taste in my mouth. I would be wrong to judge the man on the issue, but it does illustrate what can happen in discussions about another’s religious belief.
 
I’m not Catholic but the answer is NO. The means never justifies the ends. The means must justify themselves. Deliberate lying is a sin.
 
Beautiful Uranage, often these days sins are downplayed and even outright lies are used to try and confuse Catholics.

That was my point to my friend, except he would just then come out with a barrage of questions insisting that Catholics worship statues, and all the rest of those accusations. Even after I logically answered questions he would insist on just changing the subject or saying that he has seen Catholics do it so no matter what the Church taught, it still is wrong.

Thank you Della, I really haven’t thought of the fact that he might be afraid to honestly investigate Catholicism. It would be life changing to him if he did, he stands to lose a lot. I will keep praying for him and keep to my promise to join with him on a search for truth. I believe there is one truth, be believes there is his truth, which is pretty hard to overcome.

God Bless
Scylla
 
What I wonder is why Protestants emphasize the “personal relationship with Jesus,” while forgetting the other 2 persons of the Holy Trinity? It almost stinks of modalism…
 
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What I wonder is why Protestants emphasize the “personal relationship with Jesus,” while forgetting the other 2 persons of the Holy Trinity? It almost stinks of modalism…
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There are some Christians who claim to believe in the trinity but understand it to mean that JESUS is Father, Son and holy Spirit.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
what’s so bad about satanic worship? yeesh. you guys need to lighten up.
 
Semper Fi:
What I wonder is why Protestants emphasize the “personal relationship with Jesus,” while forgetting the other 2 persons of the Holy Trinity? It almost stinks of modalism…
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No more than devotion to the Blessed Sacrament “stinks of” “bread-worship” 🙂​

Jesus is emphasised, because He is the only Person to be man as well as God - He is the Mediator, they are not. He makes God accessible. 🙂 ##
 
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