Would you like altar rails to return?

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Bringing back the rails will remind us of that fact.
During the reign of the original Innocent III, the pope not the Catholic Answers poster, the church didn’t have altar rails at all.

Didn’t have pews or kneelers either.

I don’t think that this innovation, altar rails, is any more necessary than any other.
 
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InnocentIII:
We are a priestly church and we have a distinct and consecrated priesthood. The priesthood of all believers is a protestant heresy.
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (Paragraphs 1546, 1547, 1273, as well as others) the former is true but the latter is not. Through bastism, we do enter into a common priesthood. But a distinction (a chasm, really) exists between that and the ministerial priesthood that one enters through the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

Alas, I agree wholeheartedly that the lines have been blurred. If there is heresy, then it resides in that fact.

The removal of altar rails from historic gems is one small aspect of this problem. Their exclusion from (most) new parish architecture has only helped to perpetuate the misconceptions that many have about what “active participation” really means.
 
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Kielbasi:
During the reign of the original Innocent III, the pope not the Catholic Answers poster, the church didn’t have altar rails at all.

Didn’t have pews or kneelers either.

I don’t think that this innovation, altar rails, is any more necessary than any other.
During the reign of Innocent III however thesanctuary was clearly marked off and often separated by a screen. The priest would come out of the sanctuary into the nave to distribute holy communion. I do not think we want to go back to hiding the asnctuary away from the people but I do think the sactuary needs to be clearly demarcated. I was responding primarily to the claim that the absence of altar rails somehow involved the laity in the mass through linking us with the priest more closely. To me this comes perilously close to the protestant heresy of the priesthood of all believers. The catholic priesthood is a sacramental priesthood called and set apart by Christ. No-one can substitute for a priest or act in concert with him unless he be another priest. Altar rails are not necessary although I believe they are desirable, but clear distinction between laity and priesthood is.
 
Our church is one of those sterile, protestant-looking churches built in 1990 (even though we do have a holy priest). I would love to see the holiness returned to the Mass, even though 1/2 of our parishioners would scream that they thought tradition was finished since the second Vatican Council. Yes, the altar rails would be a huge step in returning the holiness to the Mass…but there is so much more that needs fixing!
 
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Kielbasi:
During the reign of the original Innocent III, the pope not the Catholic Answers poster, the church didn’t have altar rails at all.
Might I suggest a quick review of Church history? I believe there were altar rails as early as the fourth century, perhaps even earlier.
Didn’t have pews or kneelers either.
I think you are correct here, although I do not see how this relates to the topic of discussion. Nevertheless, one can sit without a pew and kneel without a kneeler.
I don’t think that this innovation, altar rails, is any more necessary than any other.
As InnocentIII (CA poster, not the 12th Century Pope) stated, altar rails are not necessary. Furthermore, your cute classification of altar rails as innovations may as well be extended to priestly attire. Maybe all the priests should wear common clothing during Mass to further blur the lines between them and the laity! That would save some money, too!
 
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msproule:
Furthermore, your cute classification of altar rails as innovations may as well be extended to priestly attire. Maybe all the priests should wear common clothing during Mass to further blur the lines between them and the laity! That would save some money, too!
next, the PostVatII inovators will want to remove the tabernacle veil, and perhaps the tabernacle door…

oops, they have already moved/removed many tabernacleshttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_2.gif
 
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MrS:
next, the PostVatII inovators will want to remove the tabernacle veil, and perhaps the tabernacle door…

oops, they have already moved/removed many tabernacles
Where was His Eminence Francis Cardinal Arinze when we needed him? 😦 Some people think that liturgical renewal means the removal of kneelers from church pews, the knocking down of altar rails or the positioning of the altar in the middle of the sitting area of the people. The Church has never said any such thing. Nor does liturgical restoration mean iconoclasm or the removal of all statues and sacred images. These should be displayed, albeit with good judgment. And the altar of the Blessed Sacrament should be outstanding for its beauty and honored prominence, otherwise in some so-called restored churches one could rightly lament: “They have taken my Lord away, and I don’t know where they have put Him” (Jn 20:13).
 
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msproule:
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (Paragraphs 1546, 1547, 1273, as well as others) the former is true but the latter is not. Through bastism, we do enter into a common priesthood. But a distinction (a chasm, really) exists between that and the ministerial priesthood that one enters through the Sacrament of Holy Orders.
A quick comment as I must rush over the road to Adoration. We are called to a common priesthood yes, but the priesthood of all believers was a protestant innovation to deny the sacramental priesthood. Anyone could lead the service, holy communion whatever. There is always the danger in stressing the participation of the laity in tipping over into this heresy much promoted by the calvinists during the Reformation.

I thought our holy priest said it well “No priest=no Sacrament, no Sacrament=no Church”.
 
David B:
Recently I had the opportunity to receive communion at an altar rail at a small country parish that somehow missed the Spirit of Vatican II (although they did have a wooden table that was used as the altar instead of the high altar).

Would you like to see altar rails return?
definately not

Podo
 
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TOME:
No. I hold that the alter rails create the impression and goes against the understanding that while with in the Liturgy there is the specific roles for the the ordained clergy it is still the Liturgy the worship of the faithful who all share in the priesthood of Christ.
Alter Rails create a psychological barrier that can and often implies that the Mass is the priest work and we are just the spectators or passive participants in the Liturgy.

However, in saying that, if the rails are already there it would be alright not to remove them, but the gates shouldn’t be closed.
TOME,
You have got to be kidding! Right? On second thought, are you one of our current bishops or a closet…Baptist?
 
my church HAS altar rails,whats the big deal about them?..why were they stopped?
 
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godsent:
my church HAS altar rails,whats the big deal about them?..why were they stopped?
The principal reason why they were removed or not installed in new churches is that the usual method of receiving communion has changed from kneeling at the rail to standing in lines.

Further , the rails are a hinderance to the new traffic patterns of EM’s heading to and from the altar, particularly in larger churches.
 
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Kielbasi:
Further , the rails are a hinderance to the new traffic patterns of EM’s heading to and from the altar, particularly in larger churches.
Perhaps we should not use so many Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion! That would simplify things immensely.
 
Yes, as long as the laity can continue to recieve the Most Precious Blood from the chalice.
 
Perhaps we should not use so many Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion! That would simplify things immensely.
That would indeed, but that leads into a question of how long the communion of the faithful ought to be in relation to the rest of the mass. That would provoke other changes as far as music selection for communion, a longer rite would mean longer music

Nothing is done in a vacuum, if you change one facet or rite, other stuff much be changed so the mass will still run smooth as silk.

I would just hope that if the bishops would rebuild altar rails, that the whole process would be thought through, and the people, including those involved as EMs, altar servers, ushers, choir folk, all be thoroughly briefed on the changes.
 
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Kielbasi:
I would just hope that if the bishops would rebuild altar rails, that the whole process would be thought through, and the people, including those involved as EMs, altar servers, ushers, choir folk, all be thoroughly briefed on the changes.
I think we can all agree on this point. Proper catechesis would be essential for such an action to bear good fruit.

God Bless,
Michael
 
Proper catechesis would be essential for such an action to bear good fruit.
I don’t think its really catechesis, but more like rehearsal and choreography. Its certainly beneficial for catechesis (knowing why the changes are being made), but the coordination of the effort to make sure everyone knows where they are supposed to do and supposed to be at should be carefully thought out.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Yes, as long as the laity can continue to recieve the Most Precious Blood from the chalice.
Whats wrong with intinction? As far as I am concerned, the chalice needs to be abolished, and intinction should be the norm for communion under both species.
 
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Kielbasi:
The principal reason why they were removed or not installed in new churches is that the usual method of receiving communion has changed from kneeling at the rail to standing in lines.

Further , the rails are a hinderance to the new traffic patterns of EM’s heading to and from the altar, particularly in larger churches.
The parish I attend has and uses altar rails, its not a TLM parish either, and 2 priests can distribute communion to 500 communicants in 10-15 minuites using the rail. It is not rocket science.
 
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