A
AJV
Guest
But for the sake of argument, say the Words are meant to be recited as narrative. I wish to put forward what Joseph Pohle wrote in his work on Dogmatic Theology. He seems to (correct me if I’m wrong) say that an intention to consecrate is sufficient, as long as there is not a positive contrary intention of the priest NOT to consecrate by the Words. He is treating the case of Eastern Orthodox priests who attribute the consecration to the “epiclesis” and not to the Words
As to bells, yes they are optional for the NO. But if you look, for the TLM, the rubrics for ringing the bell only make reference to a low Mass, not a sing or high Mass, though it was common to ring the bell for High Mass also, and eventually in the early 20th century, sanctioned by the Congregation of Rites.
As for the vision of Marie-Julie Jahenny, one can very easily apply it to the problems of the Church with the secular governments of Europe at the time with their own “national” churches particularly in France, Italy and Germany
What if a schismatic priest would say Mass with the express intention of consecrating not by the divine words of institution, but by the Epiklesis? If this were generally the case among the schismatic Greeks, should we not be forced to the conclusion that, since the seventeenth century at least, when the Greek Church began officially to connect the Consecration with the Epiklesis, they no longer say Mass validly?
As an addendum, I finally note that the formula of Intention which the priest recites in the sacristy “Ego volo” is the same in both the TLM/EF and the NO/OFIf the minister of a Sacrament performs the prescribed rite conscientiously and with the proper intention, the Sacrament is validly administered and will produce its effects
regardless of any erroneous notions the minister may harbor concerning the essential or non-essential character of this or that part of the form. It may happen among us that a learned and faithful priest is in doubt as to what is essential in the matter or form of a Sacrament. Nevertheless, he administers the Sacrament validly if he has the right intention and conscientiously performs the prescribed rite from beginning to end. Though
the Greeks may in the best of faith go on erroneously maintaining that they consecrate exclusively by the Epiklesis, nevertheless, as in the case of the Latins, they actually consecrate by means of the words of institution contained in their liturgies, provided, of course, that they really intend to celebrate Mass, of which as a rule there can be no reasonable doubt. Only in the imaginary supposition that a schismatic priest were so filled with hatred against Rome that he would rather not consecrate at all than consecrate by means of the words of institution, should we be justified in concluding that there was a
lack of genuine intention and that, consequently, the Mass was invalid.
As to bells, yes they are optional for the NO. But if you look, for the TLM, the rubrics for ringing the bell only make reference to a low Mass, not a sing or high Mass, though it was common to ring the bell for High Mass also, and eventually in the early 20th century, sanctioned by the Congregation of Rites.
That’s a highly subjective statement. For example, the miracles…if IRC, Fr. Cekedas tract making reference to that used for example, the idea that the miracle of raising Lazarus was omitted form the collect for Mary Magdalene. Actually it was not omitted because of the miracle but to avoid identification of Mary Magdalene as the same Mary as the sister of Lazarus. The NO actually provides an entire preface on the miracle of raising Lazarus. One can go through the collects and find examples to demolish various claims. For example, see St. Peter Canisius “Lord, you gave St. Peter Canisius wisdom and courage to defend the Catholic faith…… “. So much for collects of saints not mentioning it.
- Veneration of the Saints:
The prayers of the traditional Mass frequently invoke the saints by name and beg their intercession. The Church’s veneration of the saints in her worship was another practice which anti-Christ protestant heretics dismissed as “superstition.” The New Order of the Mass dropped most invocations of the saints by name, or made them optional. In the new Missal, moreover, the weekday prayers for saints’ feast days (most of which are also optional) have been rewritten for the benefit of protestant heretics – allusions to miracles, the defense of the Catholic Faith, or to the Catholic Church as the one, true Church have disappeared.
As for the vision of Marie-Julie Jahenny, one can very easily apply it to the problems of the Church with the secular governments of Europe at the time with their own “national” churches particularly in France, Italy and Germany