Would you like to see the Octave of Pentecost restored?

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This was discussed on another thread but I thought I would make it an original thread as I think it should.
Some history. Before 1955 there were many octaves, to the point they were classified in order of their importance.
Privileged Octaves
Privileged Octaves of the First Order
Octave of Easter
Octave of Pentecost
Privileged Octaves of the Second Order
Octave of Epiphany
Octave of Corpus Christi
Privileged Octaves of the Third Order
Octave of Christmas
Octave of the Ascension
Octave of the Sacred Heart
Common Octaves
Octave of the Immaculate Conception BVM
Octave of the Solemnity of St. Joseph
Octave of the Nativity of St. John the Baptist
Octave of Ss. Peter and Paul
Octave of the Assumption BVM
Octave of All Saints
Simple Octaves
Octave of St. Stephen
Octave of St. John the Apostle
Octave of the Holy Innocents
Octave of St. Lawrence
Octave of the Nativity BVM

In 1955, Pope Pius Xll greatly reduced them to only the Chistmas, Easter, and Pentecost Octaves.
In 1969 Pope St. Paul Vl reduced it to only Christmas and Easter.

I think the Pentecost Octave should be restored. It was the highest order along with Easter, ( not sure why Christmas was retained when it was a third order Octave), and also I think to many people now view Pentecost as only the end of the Easter season whereas it is so important.( I actually believe it is the second most important solemnity of the liturgical year after Easter.)
I was wondering what maybe others thought? Happy Pentecost you you all!!

http://m.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pentecost-octave-where-art-thou
 
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Octave means (during) eight days after. Significance is that it extends the feast for indulgences and other purposes.
 
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I’d be okay with putting Pentecost back since it didn’t have the same liturgy every day. I wouldn’t want to go to 7 days of Masses hearing the same readings daily.
 
Thanks. I thought it had something to do with
the number 8, but I thought maybe it was before, not after.
 
Octave is an old custom where important feast days were commemorated for 8 days. Christmas and Easter still have octaves on the calendar. The other octaves were all removed.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I’d be okay with putting Pentecost back since it didn’t have the same liturgy every day. I wouldn’t want to go to 7 days of Masses hearing the same readings daily.
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For the Mass this is true. For the LOTH it isn’t. It’s the same psalms every day for 8 days for Lauds and Vespers. And in the chanted version, the same antiphons for 8 days, except the Gospel canticle antiphon which changes daily. It wears thin after about, oh, day 2. The only good thing about it is that you usually have the antiphons down pat by the last day… if you manage to last that long. Often I just get tired of it and recite the Office silently.

This, at least, is the case for the Easter Octave as is privileged. The Christmas Octave isn’t, so there three feasts within it: St. Stephen, St. John, and Holy Innocents. These help to break the monotony. Same (festive) psalms at Lauds, but different antiphons at leas. However Vespers is always of the Octave, not the feast, so that doesn’t change during the Octave.

Theoretically one could make the Octave of Pentecost non-privileged as well, but there are few feasts that would fall in it. There are only three feasts in May, and none in early June. So some years there would be nothing to take advantage of the lack of privilege, as memorials are displaced by the superior hierarchy of even a non-privileged Octave. In other years, there would only be one variable set of antiphons for Lauds on one day.

So put me down for not wanting a return of the Pentecost Octave. In a way it’s still partially observed, as Trinity Sunday was the 8th day of the Octave so we still have a vestige of the Octave. And of course nothing prevents one from recognizing it in private prayer, or for that matter, praying the EF breviary that week instead of the OF. It’s still licit to use the EF breviary, and the Octave is still on the old calendar 😉
 
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Didn’t the Pentecost Octave have the Ember Days in it on Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday? I only know this because I go to the EF quite often ( where this octave is still celebrated)and have the Angelus Press calendar.
That wasn’t reflected at all in the Liturgy of the Hours? Maybe those could be restored?
 
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That would be nice also. Is there a negative
to having them restored?
 
Anything in the 1962 Liturgical books is good to go. At least that is my understanding.
 
Yes, the fact that we celebrate Trinity Sunday next week suggests there is still a “shadow” of the Pentecost Octave. Likewise, I’ve long felt that we still celebrate a “shadow” of the Assumption Octave now that we observe the feast of Our Lady’s Queenship on the 8th day after the Assumption.
 
Could be, I’m not that familiar with the rubrics of the EF though I have several pre-Conciliar liturgical books in my collection; I looked, but didn’t find much. But they wouldn’t apply to the OF in any case.
 
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Well it is Marian but the day you are speaking of in the EF is the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
May 31 is the Queenship of Mary in the traditional calendar. And the Visitation is July 2. Now I don’t know how that made sense and maybe someone will know but if the Nativity of John the Baptist is June 24, why did the calendar have the Visitation as July 2?
 
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Pentecost Octave is still kept in the Ordinariate. Bonus as it means meat is allowed this Friday!
 
as this faith has been made more ordinary by the modern world in the eschewing it’s claim to the ancient privileges, it ceases to credibly claim the extraordinary to newer and still learning candidates to the true faith.
I say bring them ALL back!
Let us be extraordinary…
 
Of course it is.
Thats because the former Anglican liturgy looks more Catholic than the Ordinary Catholic liturgy.
I’m not gonna criticize the Church here; but what is up with that!?

I’m not trying to get myself in trouble or anything, I just don’t understand why an Anglican liturgy ( that is really what the Ordinariate is meant to look like somewhat) seems more true to the traditional calendar than our own.
Sometimes I can’t help but feel like we are in some twilight zone 😂
 
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Years ago, perhaps a decade back, I made a similar comment here at CAF… that some Anglican liturgies are objectively, superficially speaking, more beautiful than the typical banal Catholic liturgy. I got an official infraction from a moderator for “contempt of Catholicism”…but CAF seems much less policed these days.
 
Yes, Pentecost should have an octave. I agree with whoever said there should be more variety in the LOTH in the octaves.
 
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