Would you maintain sexual intimacy with a spouse addicted to porn?

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My husband is seeking help but it’s an uphill battle. There are good days and bad days. Sometimes I feel like his unfaithfulness in his heart should make me think twice about seeking his affection, but denying us both of that bond doesn’t help anything. What do you do or what would you do?
 
I think that your sexual relationship with your husband, while impacted negatively by his porn addiction, can be maintained to the benefit of both of you. If he is working to overcome it, and is holding himself accountable, perhaps with an accountability partner or spiritual director, and is availing himself of confession when he falls, then being intimate might be helpful for both of you. It is a sensitive topic, and there are a lot of opinions about this, and it might be different for every couple battling this. But it seems, based on how you asked your question, that you desire the intimacy, too. Your needs for affection and intimacy don’t just go away because your spouse is struggling. I think an earnest attempt to maintain marital intimacy is commendable. Especially if marital relations help each of you to feel loved and accepted by each other.
 
Yes. Please do. Don’t make it even harder on him. I mean you don’t get an alcoholic to quit drinking by hiding the soda. I know it must be hard for you, but just be thankful you don’t have that type of addiction. Try to be as supportive as possible. I mean you have to understand this is a hard-wired thing. You are just really lucky your husband is even talking to you about this. A lot of guys live a sort of double life instead and just hide it. It’s a thing guys do. A lot of them. Maybe even most. I don’t know. But just because you don’t feel a need for porn doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s bad and you’re good. It just means you’re lucky and he’s not. Love him where he’s at. He will totally appreciate that. I mean accepting a guy who’s down is not an easy thing, but a guy who is worth anything at all will recognize that and love you all the more for it.

I mean I don’t know how deep you guys go into talking about it, but you could try to make things more special to celebrate certain milestones. I mean if he abstains for a month you’ve got a reason to celebrate. Three months. Then six. Then a year. Make it a thing. But don’t raise the wall too high because you want him to be honest if he slips. You want to be able to help, right? You want him to lean on you and not on other habits instead. So if he does slip, reset the score-sheet, but try to give him a hand up.

I mean being a guy sometimes seems like one big long series of abstaining from stuff. Especially once you get married. Especially if you try to have a religion. Especially if you care about your family. But that’s life I guess.

Peace.

-Trident
 
You can and almost certainly should maintain sexual intimacy, but don’t look at your sexual intimacy as a “substitute” for his struggle against porn. The goodness of a husband and wife making love has nothing in common with pornographic sex. In terms of its objectified allure, C.S. Lewis sagely notes that a flesh & blood woman can never, ever, ever compete with the figments of the imagination that a man can come up with who is under the spell of lust. It is impossible to satisfy it. You can never bribe your way into him overcoming porn by giving him regular sex. It simply won’t work. This eventually leads to you being a tool. Likewise, you can’t punish him out of porn by denying him sex; that will probably just contribute to the addiction (porn addiction, like any addiction, is usually an escape route a person uses to instantly “feel better” and get a type of high. Making an alcoholic’s life miserable makes them want alcohol all the more, and ditto for porn). This eventually leads to divorce, and the weapon of revenge strikes back at its owner.

A woman in this situation- where her man is not loving her as he is obliged and he is betraying her with his body - can face immensely powerful temptations to bitterness. If indulged, this will finish off any hope of the marriage being restored.
 
First off, I agree with everything TK421 said above, but I do have my own perspective to add to it.

As a man dealing with the same issues, the intimacy I share with my wife is sometimes the only thing that keeps me grounded. You have to keep in mind that if your husband is truly trying to get free of porn, he is not wanting to be unfaithful to you, quite the opposite; it is our desire to be better husbands that is driving us. (That and the fear of Hell. Both are good motivators…)

The thing with porn addiction, especially if it’s a long term addiction, is the way the body reacts to deprivation. Imagine you can feel a cold shiver coming on, and you know that it’s going to cause you to twitch really hard and pop your neck. All the muscles in your body are tensing up in preparation for the shiver, but you know that if you let it happen it’s going to hurt severely. Trying to resist porn is a lot like trying to hold that twitch in. Everything in your body is telling you to relax your hold and let the shiver happen, and it’s only one little voice in the back of your mind reminding you that if you do, you’re going to have a sore neck until you can get to a doctor to take care for it.

With porn, there’s the soul and the intellect which understands that you should not be doing this, that it’s wrong, and that it will only lead to pain when you’re done; then there’s the rest of you. You body, which is used to a certain schedule of ‘gratification’ preps itself for it without your consent. All the muscles in your body are urging you to do what has become habit. Your brain is constantly firing off images and emitting certain chemicals to try to induce you to do what it sees as relief (the sudden rush of dopamine that looking at porn brings, which is what makes pornography the same sort of addictive as cocaine…). All the while, the part of you that understands how wrong porn is is sitting there doing its best to keep the gate shut against an encroaching army… For some men, the intimacy with their wife is the only things that helps stem the army, and keep them quite for another day.

I’m not trying to say you should not have reservations about the issue. Porn is bad, and a porn addiction can seriously harm a relationship. I’m only asking you, as another man dealing with this addiction; if he is really trying to stop, support him and be there for him. That doesn’t mean that every time he gets the urge you should have sex with him, that would be counter productive; but if it’s been a while, and he hasn’t been incessant, there’s a good chance that when he says he needs some help, he’s about a step and a half from falling over the cliff.

This is just my view on it, what’s best for your relationship is something you and your husband will have to figure out together; but if he’s truly trying to overcome this addiction, he’s doing it at least in part because he loves you and wants to do better by you.
 
There are already some great answers, but to put it in a very simple idea, it helps to avoid the counterfeit when you are engaging in the real thing.
 
He needs lots of affection & attention,
I could give advise,but it might not be the right answer,
I could say only if you P M. Me,
But lots of hugs and open communication ,spend time together,movies etc
You could disconnect the Internet,but they still work around that,
Let him know that you are aware of the problem and will work through it together,
 
additionally, some men get into porn from their high school or college years. It originates as a way to relieve stress (typically with masturbation).

But it becomes VERY addictive. The more porn a man views, the more numb he becomes to it and then needs harder and more dangerous porn to receive that same feeling of satisfaction.

Being intimate with your husband, not just sex, but truly making love some of the best medicine.

God Bless and please be patient with your husband has he tries to overcome his affliction.
 
On an emotional level, I would have a very, very difficult time with it.

It would probably matter a great deal if he were trying to overcome the addiction or not, but truthfully, it would be a huge libido killer. My self-confidence would be really shaken. I would keep wondering if I was “good enough,” “pretty enough,” “interesting enough.” I would wonder if I was just being used.

That would make it very difficult for me. I would need some serious trust rebuilt. I understand the concept of the marital debt and I also understand that sex can be healing, but sometimes (and I even see it on this thread already) I feel like the idea that sexual intimacy helps cure a husband is really just continuing to objectify a woman as a sexual object…just for a different purpose. It really makes me feel icky.

I have to say, though, that I would probably never agree to be my husband’s accountability partner for something like that. I would not want to know that level of detail about his temptations and falling into sin against himself, our marriage, and me. It would just re-wound me every time.
 
I think a distinction needs to be made.

I’m not a psychologist, and I’m not a clinician. But I do believe that many men are not **addicted **to pornography so much as they’ve **conditioned **themselves by it. Here’s what I mean.

A man has spent years viewing pornography. From his teenage years, he’s looked at it whenever his body started to communicate to him that it’s ready to have an orgasm. My hypothesis is that this type of behavior results in a form of conditioning. From now on, whenever he has a sexual urge, and when he begins to resist it, the brain tells him it’s time to have an orgasm by showing him pornographic images from his memory. That’s the association the brain has made: need to have orgasm equals viewing pornography. We often say this behavior is addiction, but I don’t think that many men can’t stop the pornography so much as their brain simply has made bad associations.

The trick, IMO, is to **change **this conditioning, and that cannot be done without marital intimacy. I think that if a man genuinely wants to stop looking at porn, and if he’s married, then he can be with his wife whenever he feels himself getting close to a tipping point. Over time, I think the conditioning will change. Now the body will associate certain feelings with being intimate with his wife, and **that **will be his desire, not the pornography. The instances of having images flash into his mind might reduce drastically, and he may find his desires far easier to control without having a strong inclination to view certain images.

Unless they’re forcing themselves to view certain things out of boredom, I think most users would admit that, after they’ve engaged in certain actions, they don’t feel as if they’re unable to resist such a temptation until several days have passed. In fact, over a period of a few days, they may have zero temptations at all, and have absolutely no desire for porn. IMO, what has led to this feeling of satiation is not the viewing of the pornography, but the fact that the body completed a certain reproductive function. The natural function simply has an association with certain images that it’s made, and it uses them to communicate its need. If the natural function is satiated, it won’t use those images.

I don’t know how often you and your husband are intimate. But I do know that some men are told that, in order to stop viewing pornography, they need to refrain from all sexual activity for some long period of time. This is compared to a drunk “drying out.” Well, I think that’s counter-productive. If intimacy is infrequent, that might actually be a big part of the problem. A man who can’t go a week without viewing pornography won’t be helped if he chooses to only be with his wife every three weeks.

Having said that, I again emphasize that I’m not a shrink. Maybe you and your husband have tried this and it isn’t working. But I think the conditioning perspective is worthwhile to examine if it hasn’t been already.
 
My husband is seeking help but it’s an uphill battle. There are good days and bad days. Sometimes I feel like his unfaithfulness in his heart should make me think twice about seeking his affection, but denying us both of that bond doesn’t help anything. What do you do or what would you do?
Perian, you’ve worded this in a way that seems detached from your feelings. When you are in an intimate situation with your husband are you suppressing feelings of hurt? anger? disgust? You used the word ‘unfaithfulness’ and that is the way that Jesus described this behaviour…

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. - Matt 5 27-28

Addiction to anything can mitigate a persons culpability but it doesn’t change the damage the behaviour inflicts on loved ones. I’d recommend ringing a group like Al anon to ask about support groups in the area that may be for more general addiction. You need to be fully aware of the general tactics of an addict that can prolong the toxic relationship dynamics.

The thing is that it isn’t your place to punish or judge him but you need to act for your own best interests and that of your family life. Women whose spouses are addicted to affairs are perfectly within their rights to sever the conjugal life while they are actively participating in the behavior. Loved ones are encouraged to work on themselves at a time like this so they are responding to the others behaviour in a healthy and positive way.
 
Thank you all for your thoughtful responses.

I am relying heavily on my education in psychology to usher me through this cross. Knowledge really is power and my understanding of the nature of addiction really does help to undermine the temptation to indulge in self-pity and insult longer than is necessary.

My OP is detached from my feelings because my husband’s struggle really has very little to do with me, and this addiction has very little to do with sex in the end. As PPs have said, this is an escape more than anything. This addiction is rooted in anxiety, insecurity, and patterns of instant gratification and escapism that began many, many years ago. He did not struggle with this in college because he was in a great place emotionally. He lost that good place around the time we got married (thanks to circumstances surrounding that period of time, not me) and it has been a chronic trial ever since.

I have dealt with my feelings of hurt, insult, and betrayal. Insecurity is a problem when his searches become too personal-- girls in bikinis on Facebook, and a history full of photo albums with “Spring Break” in the title, for instance, is much harder to stomach than women without names I recognize.

I am his accountability partner on Covenant Eyes and I am happy to be. I need to know. This cross originates in my husband’s heart, and that’s my ministry.

I assumed that “yes” would be the general consensus, barring any personal harm I might need to protect myself from when insecurity, hurt, and betrayal are brought again to the forefront. It helps to hear it, though. We build up the “marital act” as being so holy, it’s tempting to think of it as a sacrament and my husband has to go to confession for his spiritual infidelity before he can be with me again. Perhaps that’s pride speaking… it feels like a mortal sin against our love.

Thank you for your responses. I will continue to be unconditionally loving and supportive. I know that he needs that more than coldness.
 
Perian,
Your level-headed and loving perspective will serve you and your husband well in winning the battle against pornography. That was quite an inspiring post you wrote. Marriage itself is the sacrament. The marriage act IS holy, and should be kept that way. But marriage is the sacrament that gives us grace to make us holy. Over time, with God’s help, the holiness of the act becomes more apparent and sexual sins fall away. That is not to say that there will be no struggle. There will be struggle for anyone who ever struggles with lust. But perseverance and frequent confession and plenty of communication and love and compassion can help see the couple through. The wonderful thing about holiness is that it is not compartmentalized. It is holistic. As you both continue to grow in holiness, working on one area of your lives, it spills over into the rest of your life. Anyway, I have rambled on way too long. Sorry about that. God bless you!
 
Stay mindful against the temptation of pride. Is there something you struggle with that he can support you with so that you two can be leaning on each other? It is difficult for a man to lean on his woman in one area without abdicating responsibilities in other areas also. By sharing one of your struggles with him, you can remind him of his strengths in other areas; even if he cannot directly leverage those strengths to his own struggle, it will be easier for him to remember he has strengths - this will be a defense from despair.
 
Stay mindful against the temptation of pride. Is there something you struggle with that he can support you with so that you two can be leaning on each other? It is difficult for a man to lean on his woman in one area without abdicating responsibilities in other areas also. By sharing one of your struggles with him, you can remind him of his strengths in other areas; even if he cannot directly leverage those strengths to his own struggle, it will be easier for him to remember he has strengths - this will be a defense from despair.
Yeah. That’s a good idea really. People tend to grow to fit their expected shoe-size. I mean a guy who thinks he’s respected is going to act way different than a guy who knows he’s not.
 
Speaking from personal experience, no. I married my husband with the expectation of being treated as a spouse, not an object of self-gratification. I would far rather abstain until my husband had concretely, and over a long period of time, proven trustworthy. If there is potential for the creation of a new life, I need to KNOW that my husband has my best interests (and those of prospective children) at heart. Infidelity is in no one’s best interest, and the husband needs to assume the responsibilities of a husband before enjoying the benefits.
 
Stay mindful against the temptation of pride. Is there something you struggle with that he can support you with so that you two can be leaning on each other? It is difficult for a man to lean on his woman in one area without abdicating responsibilities in other areas also. By sharing one of your struggles with him, you can remind him of his strengths in other areas; even if he cannot directly leverage those strengths to his own struggle, it will be easier for him to remember he has strengths - this will be a defense from despair.
I read a couple of days ago that porn directly attacks a man’s need for respect from his wife. Porn and masturbation cause a man to begin to hate himself and to know that he is losing his wife’s respect. And that the lack of respect for himself causes him to be drawn into even more sinful behavior. I thought that was very insightful.

The only problem is, how does a wife bolster her husband against that?
 
Speaking from personal experience, no. I married my husband with the expectation of being treated as a spouse, not an object of self-gratification. I would far rather abstain until my husband had concretely, and over a long period of time, proven trustworthy. If there is potential for the creation of a new life, I need to KNOW that my husband has my best interests (and those of prospective children) at heart. Infidelity is in no one’s best interest, and the husband needs to assume the responsibilities of a husband before enjoying the benefits.
It must be nice not to have any addictions of your own. Because it sure would be weird for you to expect tolerance, respect, and assistance in that and yet hold the bar pretty high on a really common problem men have. I mean just try living with testosterone for a while and see how long you hold out. No one wants to do bad stuff. But with a high bar now you have the problem of no one wants to do bad stuff and admit it to you.

Sorry if I sound rude about this. I’m not trying to be. I’m just really sensitive to these kinds of attitudes. I grew up with them. The thinking that my failing was somehow an accidental or even purposeful personal attack on someone else. I mean it’s bad enough to fail yourself, but now you’ve got someone else joining in on judging how bad you are? Do you know how double hard it is to get back out of that? I don’t know. I mean please don’t be mad at me, but you’ve got to realize this isn’t a walk in the park for most guys. This is a real thing. It isn’t easy.

And nobody is going to be healed if they think you’ve already lost respect for them. Even if you have. Because there’s nothing left to hope for.

Peace.

-Trident
 
I read a couple of days ago that porn directly attacks a man’s need for respect from his wife. Porn and masturbation cause a man to begin to hate himself and to know that he is losing his wife’s respect. And that the lack of respect for himself causes him to be drawn into even more sinful behavior. I thought that was very insightful.

The only problem is, how does a wife bolster her husband against that?
The thing that I’ve heard that I like best is that a wife is the real thing and the porn is the counterfeit. So in order for a guy to not prefer the counterfeit (or maybe it’s better to just say, want to supplement the real with the counterfeit) he needs to feel the difference between the two. I mean will a guy drink flat soda when there’s a new bottle nearby? I don’t know. I don’t have a good example for you. I can’t even pretend that I did things right in my life. So really all I can do is imagine. And I mean I want to be fair because a wife should support a husband, but not enable him. And a husband should support his wife in the same way.

Because I mean it’s easy to imagine a selfish husband taking advantage of a supporting wife. And then the wife can’t really support him without having hurt feelings. So really it’s all about mutual respect in the end. But there needs to be an effort on both parts. I think that’s the key. I mean as long as you know your husband is trying to be good (or, if you’re lucky, actually is good) you need to be as ready to appreciate that by not putting him off too often too long. I mean we’re not talking about making things too accessible. Just reasonable. I mean once a month is not enough for most guys. So that can be a place to start. I don’t know. And I mean even initiating things once in a while is a good idea. I mean porn is kind of a passive thing. They’re just pictures. They never initiate. So you have that advantage over that hands down. Nothing makes a guy feel better than being wanted physically. Like in the way he wants his wife. So it could make the supplement look kind of dull in comparison.

And I mean some guys go for porn because they don’t want to bother their wife all the time. I mean some guys know their wife will only take so much pestering. So if it’s a routine like once every three Fridays it might be a good idea to make things more random. Keep him guessing. So he won’t be able to figure out where the dry spells are going to be. So he won’t get into a routine.

And of course if he messes up don’t look down your nose at him. Just because you don’t have that problem doesn’t mean you’re any better in a different way. You’ve got to meet him where he’s at. But if he’s not trying then I don’t really know what to say. That’s not a place I’m really good at. I’m not really good at giving that kind of advice. Maybe you’d have to just accidentally put really strong magnets by his computer. Or something. I don’t know. But that’s not the question you were asking so I should leave it there.

Peace Zelie.

-Trident
 
The thing that I’ve heard that I like best is that a wife is the real thing and the porn is the counterfeit. So in order for a guy to not prefer the counterfeit (or maybe it’s better to just say, want to supplement the real with the counterfeit) he needs to feel the difference between the two. I mean will a guy drink flat soda when there’s a new bottle nearby? I don’t know. I don’t have a good example for you. I can’t even pretend that I did things right in my life. So really all I can do is imagine. And I mean I want to be fair because a wife should support a husband, but not enable him. And a husband should support his wife in the same way.

Because I mean it’s easy to imagine a selfish husband taking advantage of a supporting wife. And then the wife can’t really support him without having hurt feelings. So really it’s all about mutual respect in the end. But there needs to be an effort on both parts. I think that’s the key. I mean as long as you know your husband is trying to be good (or, if you’re lucky, actually is good) you need to be as ready to appreciate that by not putting him off too often too long. I mean we’re not talking about making things too accessible. Just reasonable. I mean once a month is not enough for most guys. So that can be a place to start. I don’t know. And I mean even initiating things once in a while is a good idea. I mean porn is kind of a passive thing. They’re just pictures. They never initiate. So you have that advantage over that hands down. Nothing makes a guy feel better than being wanted physically. Like in the way he wants his wife. So it could make the supplement look kind of dull in comparison.

And I mean some guys go for porn because they don’t want to bother their wife all the time. I mean some guys know their wife will only take so much pestering. So if it’s a routine like once every three Fridays it might be a good idea to make things more random. Keep him guessing. So he won’t be able to figure out where the dry spells are going to be. So he won’t get into a routine.

And of course if he messes up don’t look down your nose at him. Just because you don’t have that problem doesn’t mean you’re any better in a different way. You’ve got to meet him where he’s at. But if he’s not trying then I don’t really know what to say. That’s not a place I’m really good at. I’m not really good at giving that kind of advice. Maybe you’d have to just accidentally put really strong magnets by his computer. Or something. I don’t know. But that’s not the question you were asking so I should leave it there.

Peace Zelie.

-Trident
Trident, have you tried counselling for addiction with an earnest desire to heal? Addictions aren’t overcome by expecting another person to heal the wounds. Addicts rely heavily on their sense of being a victim of something (like testosterone) and try and force others to be their constant savior. Experts in the field are able to clearly see when an addict turns a corner when they stop deferring to victimhood and really begin to empathise with those they are hurting. That is when their healing truly starts. A Catholic couple practicing NFP by necessity have to develop a predictable routine in their sexlife and practice holy abstinence as part of their sex life. Pope StJPII lauded the abstinence of NFP as a positive attribute in the growth of marital love and unity.

The OP has a right to expect respect and needs understand her strengths to be able to know a right path for herself and the marriage. Porn degrades everybody, men, women and children and is not passive. It is images of real people who participate in the act of everyone who uses porn. Every single person involved with it is equally victim and can only heal from it by taking charge of themselves at the end of the day.
 
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