Would you support a compromise banning abortion and guns?

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And there are no “righties” who commit murder, or support it? Many people on the “right” (I’m not accusing any specific person, just talking about general averages), support needless wars, dropping atomic bombs (to end WWII), etc. They also, in my assessment, do not weight the circumstances of acts correctly. They do not properly value human life.
 
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While I am 1000% in favor of banning abortion, I would not trade my right to defend myself and protect my family in order to do away with what is an unjust and inhumane law.

The two are not connected.
 
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CCHcolonel said:
Lol did you really just compare not being able to vote to being a slave?
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It’s probably not the best analogy, but I think the poster’s point is that it is dangerous to have a group of second-class citizens with no power to effect change.

Limiting voting to those who pay federal income tax would also mean stay-at-home mom’s cannot vote either. Nor could those that make below probably 3 or 4 times the federal poverty line (who get all their federal income tax refunded). It’s not a very good benchmark. It means only the wealthy and upper-middle class would have the power to make any decisions. That’s pretty counter to why our country was founded in the first place.
 
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Wow. Two of the topics I try my best to avoid because of the intransigence of most of the posters, all wrapped up in one juicy thread.

This will be my last post on this golden nugget of perpetual face-palming frustration. Have fun!
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Maybe someone saw your comment from yesterday and was intrigued?
 
Heck, if it was me, I’d ban the sale of recreational use of alcohol, but I don’t think my priest friends would like that. haha
 
Not sure I understand…are we to conclude that forceps, scalpels or any other tools used in abortions should be controlled or banned?
 
Abortion is intrinsically evil.

Guns are morally neutral.

Comparing apples to showshoes.

We must change hearts on both fronts.
 
@Genesis315:

I think your poll mixes apples and oranges.

Guns have many purposes that have to nothing to do with criminal activity. Legitimate uses include target shooting; hunting; and protecting the owner and his/her family.

I have no moral objection if: a gun owner legally buys the weapon; receives proper training; observes all safety measures; and locks up weapons so that children will not be harmed.

Abortion has one purpose: to end the life of an unborn baby. This practice was denounced in the original pagan Greek Hippocratic Oath (5th to 3rd centuries B.C.)

The oath begins:
I swear by Apollo the physician, and Asclepius, and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses as my witnesses, that, according to my ability and judgement, I will keep this Oath and this contract:
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Here’s the specific part relating to abortion:
“I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.”
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Our natural lights led to this pre-Christian belief.
 
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While I strongly support the right to bear arms, almost anything is worth sacrificing to get rid of abortion. Not that I think such a bill is likely.
 
NO I AM NOT SURRENDERING MY 2 AMENDMENT RIGHT.
 
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I don’t own a gun and most likely never will (and if I ever do, it would most likely be just a shotgun or rifle). I’ve never been someone who likes guns.

HOWEVER, I 100% support the right to bear arms because if the country were to ever ban all guns, it makes it that much easier for a socialist / communist govt to start a coup.

The right to bear arms was PRIMARILY given to the public as another form of checks & balances against the federal govt.

As evil and horrific abortion is, I deeply fear that if 2nd Amendment was ever eliminated, more evil would push against us.

The founding fathers of America strongly believed that the People had the right to take up arms against a tyrannical govt and they had no illusions that the United States Federal govt might one day turn into a tyrannical govt if it ever lost its Christian identity.

Therefore, I strongly support the 2nd Amendment (though I am in favor of criminals losing their rights)
 
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Only 33 percent of Americans own guns. The right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. Without a constitutional amendment, there’s no way that that private gun ownership can be eliminated. Saturated, lurid media coverage (unfortunately) is the biggest contributor to mass shootings. Disturbed people crave the notoriety. And most gun homicides are perpetrated during gang fights. Ironically, the murder rate has sharply declined since 1990.


Declining homicide rate, 2017, FBI Uniform Crime Report.

Mass shootings are a fraction of gun murders, Vox.

Interview with crime expert Dr. Park Dietz about media and mass shootings, The Daily Texan.
 
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Some people have perfectly legitimate reasons for not paying income tax and may be contributing to society in other ways, e.g. caring for children, parents, or a spouse, doing voluntary work while unemployed or low-waged, a full-time student who is training to do a useful job, or somebody so severely disabled by military service as to be unable to work. Also, people pay other kinds of taxes that also contribute to society (not sure what all these are called in the US, but sales tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax).
 
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HOWEVER, I 100% support the right to bare arms
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Yeah, me too. We need not wear sleeved garments.
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LOL - thanks! I fixed my typo
 
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Some people have perfectly legitimate reasons for not paying income tax and may be contributing to society in other ways, e.g. caring for children, parents, or a spouse, doing voluntary work while unemployed or low-waged, a full-time student who is training to do a useful job, or somebody so severely disabled by military service as to be unable to work. Also, people pay other kinds of taxes that also contribute to society (not sure what all these are called in the US, but sales tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax).
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Largely correct. Americans who may not pay any net Federal income tax still pay a wide variety of Federal, state and local taxes. At the Federal level, if they work a proper job, they pay FICA payroll taxes (which pay for our social security system, which is not as robust as what most European social insurance systems are, but it is what we have and Medicare, which is a government healthcare guarantee, but mainly for people aged 65 and older). Even if they don’t pay a federal income tax, they still may be liable for a state income tax (which is different in every state and some states do not have this). If they drive, they probably pay federal gasoline taxes.They also probably pay other federal excise taxes. Most states have a sales tax, which varies in amount. Most states/local governments also have property taxes — even people who rent pay these indirectly. People who don’t pay regular fed income tax but pay federal capital gains taxes, dividend taxes or estate taxes (which kick in on very large amounts of money) are probably very wealthy. Some states have their own estate taxes. Largely, though, your point is true—even the people that don’t pay any net federal income tax pay other taxes. You would have to work very hard to not pay any revenue to any level of government, like by buying everything on the black market somehow.
 
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