Would you support it if the Civil Law Give Right for Husband to Consent to/ Forbid Wife's Abortion

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francisca.chapter3 said:
Supposedly illegalizing abortion will lessen the number of abortion,

does it make it better to let one foetus die in back alley clinic, as compared to five in legal clinics?

In other words by illegalizing abortion, we let one die but we save five.
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There’s also the reverse in that we let the fetus be aborted in order to give someone a bit of control. So on it’s own that’s a bad argument since it affects both legalizing and prohibiting abortion.
 
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Please read also my post #57 in this thread
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U.S. Public Continues to Favor Legal Abortion, Oppose Overturning Roe v. Wade Catholic News
Just because the majority says abortion should be legal does not make it right. "Among Catholics, more say abortion should be legal (56%) than illegal (42%) in all or most cases. " How can 56% of Catholics say that abortion should be legal when this is not?
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I think this question is intentioned well, but it is not legally viable. It also will not do an end around to accomplish the goals of pro life.
The issue properly framed must focus on the human life involved. The unborn child. The moment you switch to an argument of fathers rights, you obfuscate the life of the unborn by arguing it indirectly.
The argument of a woman’s right to control her body, and not have the state usurp that right is not an argument without merit. Pro life argues it is outweighed. Not non existent. The fathers right is subordinated by biological reality to the mothers because the state ultimately exercises control over the mothers body not the fathers. The court is interested in the states exercise of it’s power. Legal issue not moral one.
 
We frame this moral matter into legal matter:

that “adultery offends legal marriage”

Instead of “illegalizing abortion”
 
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Maximus1 said:
The issue properly framed must focus on the human life involved. The unborn child.
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The unborn child life is not the only life involved.

Most abortion is because of adultery.

If we follow how our bible frame this issue, we know that biological father who offend marriage by sleeping with other mans wife, this biological father, should not be given any right whatsoever to claim any position of fatherhood of the child he placed under other man’s house. It is not DNA that is important in bringing up a child. It is the love within the home.

Consequently, if there is anyway to uphold such fatherhood right of the husband, it may be possible to stop the degradation of culture that tolerate adulterous behavior.

It is too convenient to give equal parenting right simply because a man able to “sprinkle” his dna to other mans house and then he get somewhat fatherhood status based on biology. If he do it by offending legal right of other man, then he has no legal standing for fatherhood right despite the child has his dna. The owner of the house has the right to decide what to do with the child, in order to keep their home (marriage) safe.

I quote from the other thread:
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From the Catechism:

" > 2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor…. The one is intended, the other is not.”
2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow: “If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful…. Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.”
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Statistics can’t show it, because most people wouldn’t admit it.

Is what you meant, that most people seeking abortions are not married? That is different than adultery.
 
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Statistics can’t show it, because most people wouldn’t admit it.
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The problem is that to make an assertion like that, without any supporting evidence, is mere supposition. If it IS true, where is the evidence?
 
There is no evidence to support that the majority of abortions are a result of adultery.

I believe there are sources out there that provide other statistics…generally if someone seeking an abortion is married, or not married. Whether the pregnancy was intended or accidental. Socio-economic status of individuals seeking abortion, etc.

There is no meaningful study that indicates if the pregnancy was conceived from an adulterous relationship.
 
QwertyGirl said:
There is no meaningful study that indicates if the pregnancy was conceived from an adulterous relationship.
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Absolutely correct. And earlier, I posted data (perhaps on another thread?) that sows if there is a correlation between abortion and poverty, it is a negative correlation – as poverty goes up, abortion goes down. That study did not include data from the Obama administration, when there were more people living below the poverty level than there had been for generations. And guess what?

The abortion rate went down.
 
Yep. Many people need immediate cash to procure an abortion. If you don’t have it, you don’t have it.

You can probably get it for free if you meet a certain poverty threshold, but otherwise you have to pay something.
 
Do you have a link? You’re saying that most abortions are performed on married women who’ve been with men other than their husbands, or single women who have been with married men?
 
Go here for an answer:

www.nbcnews.com

Who's getting abortions? Not who you'd think

In American pop culture, the face of abortion is often a frightened teenager, nervously choosing to terminate an unexpected pregnancy. The numbers tell a far more complex story.
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Half of the roughly 1.2 million U.S. women who have abortions each year are 25 or older. Only about 17 percent are teens. About 60 percent have given birth to least one child prior to getting an abortion.

thefrisky.com

Study Finds Married Women Have More Abortions Than Anyone Else - The Frisky

In popular imagination, women who get abortions are young, single, and promiscuous, hopping carelessly between one-night stands. I’m not one to look down upon women pursuing whatever lifestyle they find pleasing
thefrisky.com thefrisky.com

Study Finds Married Women Have More Abortions Than Anyone Else
 
francisca.chapter3 said:
Would this means to breach a womans privacy right?
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There is no right to kill another human being for your own convenience.

If the father is financially responsible for contributing to the child’s support, he surely should have some say about whether his child is killed or not.
 
If married woman seek for abortion, regardless adultery or not, husband need to have a say.

Adultery or not is irrelevant information for the clinic.

The relevant information for the clinic is only whether she is married and whether the husband agree to that abortion be done by the clinic.
 
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francisca.chapter3 said:
If married woman seek for abortion, regardless adultery or not, husband need to have a say.
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What if the wife is being abused? Such a requirement would inevitably keep victims of domestic abuse trapped in dangerous situations, and lead to children being born into and growing up in violent households.
 
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