Would you support it if the Civil Law Give Right for Husband to Consent to/ Forbid Wife's Abortion

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francisca.chapter3 said:
This has been on my mind and I wonder why nobody (those prolife movements) have not bring this up yet.
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It has gaps and allows for abortion. Not to mention that this only applies to married couples so it lowers it’s efficacy.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
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demean the privacy of a marriage
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That’s not as important when it comes to life and death situations.
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Supposedly the woman being rape is a wife. She got pregnant from the rape. Do you want the state to have a say in this, or do you prefer the husband and wife should decide what to do with the pregnancy?
 
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VanitasVanitatum said:
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Do you want the state to have a say in this, or do you prefer the husband and wife should decide what to do with the pregnancy?
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I’d rather have no abortion occur and if that means the state so be it.
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Ever think the consequence of such to the husband whose wife is a victim of rape? What will happen to their marriage if the state have power to compell the wife to carry the child not from the husband but from the rapist? What will happend to their marriage?
 
francisca.chapter3 said:
What will happen to their marriage if the state have power to compell the wife to carry the child not from the husband but from the rapist? What will happend to their marriage?
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The fact the husband has a say can ruin a marriage too.
 
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Many things can ruin marriage. Therefore a marriage should be protected
 
QwertyGirl said:
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which the couple give to each other: they are no longer two, but one and inseparable).
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My husband and I were married in a civil ceremony and that wasn’t part of our vows or anything we agreed to.
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Civil marriage, its privacy is protected under civil law.
 
Anicette said:
I support that men can say no to abortion, because it is their child and it is pro life.
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This is what we are discussing, specifically for husbands only.
Anicette said:
I don’t support that men can force an abortion on a woman.
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Thanks to Roe v Wade,
Men cannot do this now, according to Roe v Wade.
Anicette said:
I don’t support that a man can mandate his wife to not abort/or to abort if her life is at a serious risk.
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Thanks to Roe v Wade,
This one is covered by Roe v Wade too
Anicette said:
i support the choice of a woman to give her child to adoption, maybe without anyone knowing her name, even if the father that no longer live with her disagree.
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I agree to this
 
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Aquinas11 said:
its not “her own body” since “her body” is defined by her DNA within her cells and the baby has its own unique DNA within its own cells .
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Yes, there are two bodies: one has FULL custody right over the other, or is it really FULL custody, if she is married to the father of the fetus?

I will appreciate it if you would elaborate further on this, from legal stand point of view.

Or, even from our catholic point of view too
 
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francisca.chapter3 said:
Yes, there are two bodies : one has FULL custody right over the other
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(1) It can’t be “her own body” and “two bodies”

(2) If “FULL custody” over another body is license to kill, then that would mean mother of 2 year old can murder 2 year old
 
The life of the fetus is more important than marriage and it’s hard to tell what will or won’t harm a marriage.
 
Lea101 said:
What’s stopping women from lying and saying that the husband is not the father of the child?
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If a woman is married, it is irrelevant to ask if her husband is the father or not. The presumption of paternity works in many laws around the world. When the baby is born, no paternal filiation has to be prooven for legal paternity to be recognized.

The same process might be used before the birth of a child.

And it is easily to know the legal marital status of a woman with a civil paper.
 
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Yes, this is the common practice. No clinic would assume the fetus is not the husbands child. The clinic basicallty will ask the husbands signature if she’s married.
 
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Aquinas11 said:
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Yes, there are two bodies : one has FULL custody right over the other
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(1) It can’t be “her own body” and “two bodies”

(2) If “FULL custody” over another body is license to kill, then that would mean mother of 2 year old can murder 2 year old
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You are missing the point I was trying to convey here. I said “or is it full custody…?”

My point was whether the husband have a say, because the pregnant wife actually should share the custody of the unborn with her husband.
 
francisca.chapter3 said:
No clinic would assume the fetus is not the husbands child. The clinic basicallty will ask the husbands signature if she’s married.
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But we’re talking about a case where the mother wants an abortion and obviously in this case she would have known that it’s not her husband’s baby. Wouldn’t she be required to inform about her husband about the pregnancy/lie that it’s his?

Also, in this case, the woman would inform the abortion facility that he is not the father and hence, he has no say. What next?
 
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The fact the husband is not the father is irrelevant. He is presumed to be the father. When the baby would be born he would become the father unless the biological father take some action (depend of the country law).
So the husband’s consent would be asked. (otherwise I suspect many women would use this excuse to avoid to inform their husband about the pregnancy, even if he is the father!)
Lea101 said:
Also, in this case, the woman would inform the abortion facility that he is not the father and hence, he has no say. What next?
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Nothing. There is no procedure to proove that he is not the father.
Consent would be asked.
 
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  1. Besides, a claim that the fetus is not her husband’s, she could easily make mistake in that.
  2. The law assumes the couple are in fidelity unless proven otherwise by evidence.
For example “the other man shows up with his DNA sample matches the fetus”. So then, what? The other man cannot just “barge in” and remove the husband from the picture just because he successfully manage to “insert himself” in between the husband and the wife.

The law has a duty to give protection/ priority to married couples
 
The lies can be countered by dna tests.

The woman can still say her husband forced her to have sex against her will and forcefully impregnated her. She may be lying or she may be telling the truth.

How does this play out with the husband having to give consent to the abortion?
 
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Sarcelle said:
How does this play out with the husband having to give consent to the abortion?
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Marriage assumes the couple want children. If this particular pregnancy unwanted, there should be prove of wife’s serious health issues then husband’s signature no longer needed. The excuse husband force her, need to be proven with signs of violence. Otherwise it is normal so long husband & wife have sex with or without contraception, pregnancy is still possible.
 
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