Would you wear this habit?

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As a young lady discerning a vocation to the Discalced Carmelites, I’m finding this conversation very interesting.

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Now there is practicality for you. Teresa knew how to keep it simple. Throw a while guimp over your head, a short black veil and go for it. When necessary, throw a longer black veil over it. When not necessary, fold it and put it away.

She was a woman after my own heart. Practical, intelligent, great sense of humor, focused, but never took herself too seriously. I loved it when she started to chop pieces off of the original Carmelite habit for the sake of poverty. Why make 10 habits when you can make 13 if you shave off a little fabric here and there?
 
Now that is funny. Watching the clothes line is not something that I would have ever think to do. I’m trying to think if we ever hung our clothes in a place that could be seen from the outside. I don’t think so. By the time that I entered religious life, we had dryers. There was very little that you hung up. We did hang up the tunics, because they were wool. To avoid shrinking it was better to hang them up on a clothes hanger. Today, they are a blend. They go right into the dryer. It almost took an Act of Parliament to change from wool to a blend.
yea the sisters have a garden that surrounded by a metal fence that a lot of houses have in the area, but you can see right through it. Most homeowners put these little plastic strips in between the metal so you cant see inside, but the sisters don’t. They hang their outer garments right in the garden. Of course they do not do this in the winter as their clothes would freeze lol, so I assume they have a dryer inside somewhere that they just don’t use in the summer? Idk, I just love to see nuns, it makes me happy so see easily identifiable religious. 😃 on the topic of wearing a habit, I kind of want to start wearing a uniform, I have serious materialism issues and ive been toying with the idea of wearing a uniform for a few years since my friend introduced me to the uniform project. I even recently asked my Muslim uncle to get a hijab for me so I wouldn’t be constantly doing things to my hair. (I’m African American and I swear every month I’m changing my hair in new and more expensive ways.) I guess I just want to be more humble and that’s the only way I know how… please pray for me that I can embrace the spirit of humility and poverty and reject all the commercialism and consumerism that is engrained in my mind.😊
 
Now there is practicality for you. Teresa knew how to keep it simple. Throw a while guimp over your head, a short black veil and go for it. When necessary, throw a longer black veil over it. When not necessary, fold it and put it away.

She was a woman after my own heart. Practical, intelligent, great sense of humor, focused, but never took herself too seriously. I loved it when she started to chop pieces off of the original Carmelite habit for the sake of poverty. Why make 10 habits when you can make 13 if you shave off a little fabric here and there?
Yes indeed. 😉
 
yea the sisters have a garden that surrounded by a metal fence that a lot of houses have in the area, but you can see right through it. Most homeowners put these little plastic strips in between the metal so you cant see inside, but the sisters don’t. They hang their outer garments right in the garden. Of course they do not do this in the winter as their clothes would freeze lol, so I assume they have a dryer inside somewhere that they just don’t use in the summer? Idk, I just love to see nuns, it makes me happy so see easily identifiable religious. 😃 on the topic of wearing a habit, I kind of want to start wearing a uniform, I have serious materialism issues and ive been toying with the idea of wearing a uniform for a few years since my friend introduced me to the uniform project. I even recently asked my Muslim uncle to get a hijab for me so I wouldn’t be constantly doing things to my hair. (I’m African American and I swear every month I’m changing my hair in new and more expensive ways.) I guess I just want to be more humble and that’s the only way I know how… please pray for me that I can embrace the spirit of humility and poverty and reject all the commercialism and consumerism that is engrained in my mind.😊
My sister, true humility is not in how one dresses, but in how one sees oneself. The fact that you admit that you have a problem with consumerism is the beginning of humility. True humility is self-awareness.

Our Holy Father St. Francis always said this, “I am what I am before God . . . nothing else.” He spent his entire time trying to see himself as God saw him. The more he looked, the more weeds he saw that had to be pulled. After years of self-examination he became the Brother Francis that the world knows and loves.

He went from being a slave to consumerism to being one with the poor. He did not dress poor, just to look the part. He dressed poor, because he had nothing else to wear. He had given everything he owned to the poor. He went from being intemperate in food and drink to being moderate without being exaggerated. On his deathbed he asked for his friend to bring him his favorite almond pastries. Yet, at times of fasting and abstinence, he was very strict with himself.

Here is an interesting detail about his humility. When he began his journey with the first 10 brothers, he insisted that he was Brother Francis. He was just one of the guys. Two weeks before he dies, he writes his Lat Will and Testament and while he still refers to himself as Brother Francis, he speak like an authoritative patriarch of a large family. He writes that what he did he owed to no human influence. But that the rule and the way of life that he laid out for his brothers and sisters were directly revealed to him by Christ and that the Church confirmed those revelations to be true. Observe. It would sound arrogant to say that one owes nothing to another human being, because one has a hot line with God. But then he follows by saying how he took his revelations to the Church for its examination and seal of approval. This is what we mean by seeing ourselves as God sees us.

God saw him as the patriarch and it was to him that God revealed our way of life. But God had also left a Church with a papacy. And only the pope could confirm or deny if the revelation came from God. So he saw himself in relationship to God as submissive to what God asked. Yet he also so himself in relationship to the Church as submissive to the Church’s authoritative confirmation.

Finally, he warns his brothers that anyone who does not do what he commands will end up in hell. That’s pretty arrogant. Don’t you think? Actually not, because he sees himself where he belongs. He is the father and it is a father’s job of exercise his authority for the salvation of his children. When a father accepts his place in life, he is humble. When he abdicates, he is irresponsible, but not humble.

As you see, humility takes work and concrete actions beyond how we dress.
 
i wore the Mercy Sisters habit in a play about 20 years ago. In our drama group, to get the character down, we wear the costume in rehearsal as much as possible. I was quite comfortable in the dress, the wimple and veil were quite another matter.
 
Brother, I just can’t get over you and your brothers paying $300 for those habits! Obviously that company is making a handsome profit. It I lived near you, I would organize a group of women who can sew, and we would make the habits for you in exchange for prayers. There is no “tailoring” involved in those habits. You find tailoring in a man’s suit. A person does not need to be a skilled tailor to make those habits. Do you have a group of Secular Franciscans or something similar attached to your community? There might be women in that group who sew, and who would be honored to help. Since not every habit in the community is replaced at the same time, it would’t be a burden for a group of volunteers to help you.
 
Such an interesting post! I am currently discerning with the Visitation Sisters in Tyringham, MA; I’m hopefully going on a live-in retreat in May this year. The sisters wear a wimple, or a sort of headgear piece. I’m not sure what you call it. As far as I know, It is all one piece, and the veil is folded and pinned; there’s probably more to it, but I haven’t asked Sister Mary Emmanuel about it yet.

The rest of it is the dress part; the history information says the only modifications to the habit were to make the hemline shorter and the sleeves less voluminous, for safety reasons. Of course, the sisters do use modern fabrics now and the habits are much less heavy than in the past, but the sisters still wear what is essentially the same design because they feel it is a part of tradition and connects them to past sisters. I think it’s awesome! At first I sort of cringed, “It’s so… black…” but it grew on me!

They do make exceptions to the habit, I think, if it’s hard for a sister to wear. One of the more elderly community members, who I think has passed in recent years, wore a veil similar to those the postulants have, and a simple back dress with a knit white collar, I think for health reasons. It seemed very comfy to me!

Members of the Second Federation of the Visitation usually don’t wear habits, and are employed in active apostolate with the poor, elderly, etc. The Visitation Sisters of Georgetown wear a simple blue habit, and some members of the Second Federation wear a suit style uniform, but the First Federation contemplative sisters wear the (mostly) original habit.

I think wearing a habit is cool, although everyone is entitled to their opinion, I guess. I’ve always seen it as a kind of uniform, and also a way to show humility and deny personal preferences. Sometimes I can be a bit worried about “how I look,” and I’ve always been attracted to orders with habits because it seems like a good way to practice mortification, and to keep focused on the vocation. I am glad though, that some of the less practical parts of habits have been modified; I walk with crutches, so the super-long hem and sleeves of the unmodified habit would be a constant trip hazard!

Well, to side with St. Francis de Sales, it doesn’t really do a man any good to change his outside without changing his inside. Jesus knows who his spouses are, no matter what they’re wearing, but I guess sometimes it helps to have the outward reminder of the grace God gives!
 
Brother, I just can’t get over you and your brothers paying $300 for those habits! Obviously that company is making a handsome profit. It I lived near you, I would organize a group of women who can sew, and we would make the habits for you in exchange for prayers. There is no “tailoring” involved in those habits. You find tailoring in a man’s suit. A person does not need to be a skilled tailor to make those habits. Do you have a group of Secular Franciscans or something similar attached to your community? There might be women in that group who sew, and who would be honored to help. Since not every habit in the community is replaced at the same time, it would’t be a burden for a group of volunteers to help you.
I don’t know. Overpaying? Maybe, maybe not. How many yards of quality fabric are in those habits? How much do people make per hour to sew them? Are they made in the US, or in a place where they can pay the workers much less? I bet these habits and tunics last a long time.
The laborer is worthy of his hire, right?

Also, I know of a Franciscan order in our city. I have been told that when a brother joins, he get 2 habits, and that’s it. For the rest of his life. Do you suppose that’s true, or exaggerated?
 
I remember those habits. The sisters where I lived had a head gear like an upturned coal bucket with blinkers at the side. Some of those habits were made of a coarse serge and could not be washed. The Poor Clare Colettines had a particularly rough habit and with a huge tablecloth like wimple that covered the chin. I don’t think many of them would give up their modified habit to go back to the old style. The lay sisters of these order always had a different habit that was invariable drab and and humbling as it was thought “befitting their state” while some of the Canonesses had elaborate habits with trains.
 
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