Wouldn't it be so much better if everyone was able to know the true religion?

[melbourne_guy]

I have written another post about it, asking you about who cretaed you? Please reply.

iv replied to all your posts you have directed at me.
As far as who created me, iv answered it twice already
here is my response in case you missed it.
My parents created me. Who created humans, we evolved from an ape like common ancestor.
Who created the common ancestor, it evolved from a reptile. Who created the reptile, it evolved from a fish. Who created the fish, it evolved from a single cell organism. Who created the single cell organism, it was possibly produced by an electric chrage in proteins, caused by lightning.I can tell you everything all the way back to the bigbang bang but i cant tell you what caused that, becuase “i dont know”. You dont know either because its a mystery that has no evidence. Did a god cause it, maybe, theres always a possibilty. There you go, but i think i gave you more then you deserved, because if i asked you who created god im sure you would have nothing.

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It is true that we know more about things today than before. But the good work of all people has to be admitted. The work of Science is useful and Islam stesses the need to gain knowledge even if one had to go to China. You cannot deny the good things of the past which are a good part of us all.

It doesnt matter how good or bad the poeple of the past were the point is they had no understanding of the world so they had to make stuff up. When they saw lightning they said god was angry, when they saw the sun move across the sky they thought a horse was dragging it. These are the primitve minds with which you get your religion from.

There will be no harm believing what you tried to say. I am not the only one in the world. There will be other people too who will listen to what you say. They will also judge you. And so the process of judgement will continue. Soon we will all come to know about the crux of the matter.

The fact you would believe me if i said i talked to god proves my point. You trust humans too much.

 

[planten]

Thanks for the lame response. My parents created me. Who created humans, we evolved from an ape like common ancestor.
Who created the common ancestor, it evolved from a reptile. Who created the reptile, it evolved from a fish. Who created the fish, it evolved from a single cell organism. Who created the single cell organism, it was possibly produced by an electric chrage in proteins, caused by lightning.I can tell you everything all the way back to the bigbang bang but i cant tell you what caused that, becuase “i dont know”. You dont know either because its a mystery that has no evidence. Did a god cause it, maybe, theres always a possibilty. There you go, but i think i gave you more then you deserved, because if i asked you who created god im sure you would have nothing.

P.S you still didnt address my last post properly.

** Thanks for some reply, that your parents created you. Let us say that your mother created you. But how do you know that your mother created you?? You are not a witness to that? How did you come to believe that your mother created you?

I am leaving the rest of your post un-touched.**

 

[planten]

** For m_g, Thnaks for your good reply about the bigbang and the electric discharge. I will have to go back lookup your previous posts and your problems.

But because you are not a complete disbeliever in God and you are travelling in two boats at once, it would be difficult for any one to discuss with you.

Same is the case with the christians here about Jesus. They have Jesus as a man and son of a man and as a God and son of a God at the same time. So nobody can discuss anything fruitful with the christians. Most of them are becoming atheists or semi-atheists (something like you). What can any one do for them !!**

 

[melbourne_guy]

Thanks for some reply, that your parents created you. Let us say that your mother created you. But how do you know that your mother created you?? You are not a witness to that? How did you come to believe that your mother created you?
I am leaving the rest of your post un-touched.

Ok, ill explain to you how i know my mum and dad created me.
Science tells us that to create a human life we need the sperm from the male and the egg from the female. Thats the only way a human life can be naturally created. Thus i know that i would have to have a mother and a father. Know how do i know that the mother i have now is my birth mother, i can tell by the similarites in our looks or i could get a D.N.A test. That is what you call a logical argument backed up by evidence and testing, something you can not do to prove your god created you.

 

[melbourne_guy]

For m_g, Thnaks for your good reply about the bigbang and the electric discharge. I will have to go back lookup your previous posts and your problems.

i hope you do.

But because you are not a complete disbeliever in God and you are travelling in two boats at once, it would be difficult for any one to discuss with you.

Oh no see heres where you’v misunderstood, i am a complete disbeliever in your god allah. Im open to the fact that there may be a god though. You see im not arguing you to disprove a god, i want you to acknowledge the fact that we as humans dont really know if there is one. Like wise if you dont really know that there is one then you cant give it an identity and a religion like allah and islam.

Same is the case with the christians here about Jesus. They have Jesus as a man and son of a man and as a God and son of a God at the same time. So nobody can discuss anything fruitful with the christians. Most of them are becoming atheists or semi-atheists (something like you). What can any one do for them !!

Oh no please dont compare me to a christian. You see theres a diffrence between Agnosticism and islam/christianity, i dont require faith to believe what i believe.
Platen your world view is that someone must either believe in a god and religion or absolutely disblieve in a god and religion, which is wrong. The reason why i am so hard to debate is because i acknowledge the fact that we dont know who created the universe, we have no evidence, therfor we must be honest and state we dont know.
Platen you know that whatever you say im going to have a logical answer for, anything you say can be answered, dont be mistaken your not debating a christian.

 

[planten]

Ok, ill explain to you how i know my mum and dad created me.
Science tells us that to create a human life we need the sperm from the male and the egg from the female. Thats the only way a human life can be naturally created. Thus i know that i would have to have a mother and a father. Know how do i know that the mother i have now is my birth mother, i can tell by the similarites in our looks or i could get a D.N.A test. That is what you call a logical argument backed up by evidence and testing, something you can not do to prove your god created you.

** Have you had your DNA test carried out? I reject the similarity of looks.**

 

[planten]

i hope you do.

Oh no see heres where you’v misunderstood, i am a complete disbeliever in your god allah. Im open to the fact that there may be a god though. You see im not arguing you to disprove a god, i want you to acknowledge the fact that we as humans dont really know if there is one. Like wise if you dont really know that there is one then you cant give it an identity and a religion like allah and islam.

Oh no please dont compare me to a christian. You see theres a diffrence between Agnosticism and islam/christianity, i dont require faith to believe what i believe.
Platen your world view is that someone must either believe in a god and religion or absolutely disblieve in a god and religion, which is wrong. The reason why i am so hard to debate is because i acknowledge the fact that we dont know who created the universe, we have no evidence, therfor we must be honest and state we dont know.
Platen you know that whatever you say im going to have a logical answer for, anything you say can be answered, dont be mistaken your not debating a christian.

**M_G, thanks for identifying yourself. I respect you. But still you have no stand. You are no where. Just because you cannot see a God that is why you don’t believe that there is a God. By the word “See” I mean something scientific or naked eye.

But please remember that God or religion are not the matter of science. You may think so but I do not believe that it is the field of science. Every one does not know about science. Even if you tried to prove something by science, people will not believe you. They will not just believe. That is all. And you cannot force them to believe in your God which may be the science.

I cannot understand why you are so much dependent on science while you disagree about a creator. The matter boils down to believing in the seen and unseen things. I ask you “Do you believe in the unseen things? Or you completely deny the unseen (invisible) things?” Please reply.**

 

[melbourne_guy]

M_G, thanks for identifying yourself. I respect you. But still you have no stand. You are no where. Just because you cannot see a God that is why you don’t believe that there is a God. By the word “See” I mean something scientific or naked eye.

I tell you this every post yet you ignor it. I dont disbelieve in a creator, my mind is open to the fact that there may be a god. I just cant say that there is because there is no evidence.

But please remember that God or religion are not the matter of science. You may think so but I do not believe that it is the field of science. Every one does not know about science. Even if you tried to prove something by science, people will not believe you. They will not just believe. That is all. And you cannot force them to believe in your God which may be the science.

yes your right no matter what i say using science backed up by evidence there will always be people who just dont believe it.

I cannot understand why you are so much dependent on science while you disagree about a creator. The matter boils down to believing in the seen and unseen things. I ask you “Do you believe in the unseen things? Or you completely deny the unseen (invisible) things?” Please reply.

Do i believe in the unseen(invisible)? well you see the air we breathe is invisible but i still believe its there. Gravity is unseen but i still believe its there. If i told you there was an invisble cat on a chair would you believe it was there? no. How can you believe in something if you cant scientifically test its there ? Is it right for me to spend an eternity in hell if i disbelieve in a god that cannot be seen, touched or tested?

 

[planten]

I tell you this every post yet you ignor it. I dont disbelieve in a creator, my mind is open to the fact that there may be a god. I just cant say that there is because there is no evidence.

Yes. Good please don’t say that there is a God. You don’t have to say that. But at the same time please do not say that there is no God. You don’t know whether there is a God or not. So you remainquiet onthis subject please.

 

[melbourne_guy]

Yes. Good please don’t say that there is a God. You don’t have to say that. But at the same time please do not say that there is no God. You don’t know whether there is a God or not. So you remainquiet onthis subject please.

And you dont know either, so i will not remain quiet on this subject. the onis is on you to prove that there is one, may i see some evidence please?

Yes, Science has now jumped into the world. So some people would try to go by theScience. Others may not do so

Science is simply trying to find the facts through testing observation and evidence. Science doesnt lie.

Thanks to God that you do believe in some of the unseen things. At the same time you do not believe in some of the other unseen things.

No its not thanks to god i believe in those unseen things. Planten just because the air is unseen doesnt mean you cant test it, blow up a balloon or feel the wind, we know its there because of tests we conduct. We know gravity exists because we can test it with scientific equations. Planten may i ask do you have a highschool education? you should know this stuff.

It is entirely your choice. You need evidence. What kind of evidence? Please tell and also tell about your DNA test. Have you got it done?.

No, the dna test has not been conducted, reason being i dont need one. You said you rejected the similarites me and my mother share in looks, but you have no good reason to. If we share similarities in looks then i know we share similarities in DNA.
Wasnt your original question ‘who created you?’ i replied my mum and dad. It doesnt matter which woman and man on this earth created me as it has no relevance, the point is i was created by humans and i have evidence to show i had to have been created by humans. Who created you ? you dont have to answer because i already know a woman and a man created you.

Or you you must still have some doubt about that too? You must not believe about your mother and father please until you get a scientific proof or some kind of evidence… Am I right??

Far from right, the similarities we share in looks is scientific evidence we share the same dna.
Planten am i going to burn for all of eternity for not believing in an invisible creator which can not be proved or disproved?
Will i be punished for not listning to the words of a 1400 year old book which was written by men who i have never met befor and who i dont even personally know?
Will i be totured for being agnostic?
and i want your personal opinion.

 

[planten]

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At least you have no evidence to know your mother. Yet you would like to believe that so and so is your mother. That is not fair. Not until you have proved it scientifically, you should please be reasonable and suppose that hse is your mother. You can always tell her that you do not know if she is your mother. She can be the mother and she may not be also. That is being a real agnostic, you should say to her " I do not know whether you are my mother or not. I may not believe that you are my mother."

Things like that would be the right approach for you. Please do not shift to the idea of being created from a man and a woman. The problem is which woman. And being a true agnost, you don’t know. As you do not know many other things.

Am I on the right lines now??**

 

[melbourne_guy]

At least you have no evidence to know your mother. Yet you would like to believe that so and so is your mother. That is not fair. Not until you have proved it scientifically, you should please be reasonable and suppose that hse is your mother. You can always tell her that you do not know if she is your mother. She can be the mother and she may not be also. That is being a real agnostic, you should say to her " I do not know whether you are my mother or not. I may not believe that you are my mother."

Things like that would be the right approach for you. Please do not shift to the idea of being created from a man and a woman. The problem is which woman. And being a true agnost, you don’t know. As you do not know many other things.

Am I on the right line?

Whats the point in debating with you. Do you notice how i adress every point you make, yet you cherry pick one key thing from my arguments and run with it. I explained how looks prove the dna and you completely ignored it. It doesnt surprise me you wouldnt be able to address this because you sound like you have the scietific knowledge of a 3 year old. AND the point to the argument is that at any time if i ever doubted the evidence me of looks i could always turn to a d.n.a test. but your right there is a chance she might not be my birth mother, but she has still spent 20 years raising me and caring for me that i dont really care if shes not my genetic mother.

Your argument sounds so pathetic, i cant believe you have spent over 4 posts on it ignoring everything else iv been saying. I honestly dont know where your going with it any more.