Wouldn't we aware of all changes in our bodies if ours souls are in complete charge?

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I don’t have a definition of a soul.
That’s way above my pay grade.

The present Catechism of the Catholic Church defines the soul as “the innermost aspect of humans, that which is of greatest value in them, that by which they are in God’s image described as ’ soul ’ signifies the spiritual principle in man”.

Nothing in there about concious bodily awareness of every time a water molecule passes through a cell membrane 🙂
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
“the innermost aspect of humans, that which is of greatest value in them, that by which they are in God’s image described as ’ soul ’ signifies the spiritual principle in man”.
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That doesn’t say much.

Anyway, here we are discussing hylemorphic dualism.
 
I’m impressed STT, you are playing chess with several people at once.

I agree with your point (1), you probably expressed it better than I did.

Your point (2) interests me. In my understanding a soul is a spirit that animates the body and has the faculties of intellect and will. A human being is the union of spirit and matter. As a spirit, the soul is not in physical space and therefore will not be affected by physical things such as drugs or anything else. The drugs will simply make the body unresponsive to the will. The soul isn’t affected but the matter is. I feel the use of the word “form” for the meaning you intend does not make the issues clear to the average clod like me, as it reminds me of concepts of shape and size which are irrelevant to a spirit.
 
Bentaxle said:
I’m impressed STT, you are playing chess with several people at once.
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I am not that good but thanks for the encouragement.
Bentaxle said:
I agree with your point (1), you probably expressed it better than I did.
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Thanks.
Bentaxle said:
Your point (2) interests me. In my understanding a soul is a spirit that animates the body and has the faculties of intellect and will. A human being is the union of spirit and matter. As a spirit, the soul is not in physical space and therefore will not be affected by physical things such as drugs or anything else. The drugs will simply make the body unresponsive to the will. The soul isn’t affected but the matter is. I feel the use of the word “form” for the meaning you intend does not make the issues clear to the average clod like me, as it reminds me of concepts of shape and size which are irrelevant to a spirit.
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We are discussing hylomorphic dualism in here where soul is the form of they body. Soul and matter make the person, substance. There is another model so called substance dualism where soul is separate substance and body is another substance. Which model are you referring to?
 
It seems to me, after studying the catechism, and some other works, that our soul is more for our consciousness, our awakening that we exist, love, live, feel pain, specially sorrow when it comes to pain. Our soul serves that purpose, specially what makes us different from other living things. I could be wrong though.

But when scriptures state that God created us in His image, it meant that He gave us a soul, meaning, He have us our consciousness. It’s not stated that other living things have souls, and that’s what differentiates us from other living things.

Also, God is the One Who sustains our lives, not ourselves. There is this saying that goes more or less like this: “if God slept, then all things would die”.
 
A merely living being is not conscious, at least in the sense we tend to use the term. Consciousness as usually understood is through a nervous system and sensory organs, and so we are only aware of changes in our body insofar as they stimulate our nerves. Thus we don’t feel our cells replicating, or anything like that. But I do feel cuts, as long as they aren’t in places like my knuckles.
 
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STT said:
We know that there are many changes in our bodies at each moment. The question is whether soul is in full charge of animating the body? If yes, why we are not aware of all changes?
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Because Original Sin has deprived us of that awareness. Our souls animate our bodies but our control is limited and faulty.
 
cfernandomaciel said:
It seems to me, after studying the catechism, and some other works, that our soul is more for our consciousness, our awakening that we exist, love, live, feel pain, specially sorrow when it comes to pain. Our soul serves that purpose, specially what makes us different from other living things. I could be wrong though.
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Could you please provide a reference for the bold part?

Are you suggesting that soul is not form of body?
 
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Lucretius said:
A merely living being is not conscious, at least in the sense we tend to use the term. Consciousness as usually understood is through a nervous system and sensory organs, and so we are only aware of changes in our body insofar as they stimulate our nerves. Thus we don’t feel our cells replicating, or anything like that. But I do feel cuts, as long as they aren’t in places like my knuckles.
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Yes, I am aware of that. Here we however discussing hylemorphic dualism which state that soul is form of the body.
 
Lucretius said:
Okay, but I’m not sure what you are trying to ask then.
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Aquinas claimed that soul is form of the body. What happened for soul that allowed this change, the change being ability to feel every thing before the sin and have limited feeling after sin?
 
On reflection, I suspect I may be referring to substance dualism, if you had to give it a name, but with the proviso that the natural state of a human is the union of soul and spirit. The separation of the two at death I would see as not what God intends for us hence the need for the general resurrection. I need to do a lot more reading on this subject to settle the concepts in my mind.
 
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On reflection, I suspect I may be referring to substance dualism, if you had to give it a name, but with the proviso that the natural state of a human is the union of soul and spirit. The separation of the two at death I would see as not what God intends for us hence the need for the general resurrection. I need to do a lot more reading on this subject to settle the concepts in my mind.
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I see. I also believe in substance dualism.
 
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